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Posted - 01/10/2023 : 00:36:53
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quote: Originally posted by BlueWhaleMoon
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Military/M.1673249729.A.608.html CSIS ³ø§iºÙ¡A¬üx¬°¤F¨¾¤î¤¤°ê³Ì²×±±¨î¥xÆW¡A¦b¨ä¹B¦æªº 24 ¦¸§L´Ñ±Àºt¤¤¥X²{¤F¥|Ó±`¶q¡G
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Analysis of the 24 game iterations showed four necessary conditions to defeat a Chinese invasion.
1. Taiwanese forces must hold the line. 2. There is no ¡§Ukraine model¡¨ for Taiwan. 3. The United States must be able to use its bases in Japan for combat operations. 4. The United States must be able to strike the Chinese fleet rapidly and en masse from outside the Chinese defensive zone.
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ki1
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Posted - 01/10/2023 : 00:54:56
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quote: Originally posted by BlueWhaleMoon
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Posted - 01/10/2023 : 00:55:42
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quote: Originally posted by BlueWhaleMoon
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ki1
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Posted - 01/10/2023 : 01:28:21
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https://www.csis.org/analysis/first-battle-next-war-wargaming-chinese-invasion-taiwan
quote: CSIS developed a wargame for a Chinese amphibious invasion of Taiwan and ran it 24 times. In most scenarios, the United States/Taiwan/Japan defeated a conventional amphibious invasion by China and maintained an autonomous Taiwan. However, this defense came at high cost. The United States and its allies lost dozens of ships, hundreds of aircraft, and tens of thousands of servicemembers. Taiwan saw its economy devastated. Further, the high losses damaged the U.S. global position for many years. China also lost heavily, and failure to occupy Taiwan might destabilize Chinese Communist Party rule. Victory is therefore not enough. The United States needs to strengthen deterrence immediately.
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ki1
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Posted - 01/10/2023 : 01:38:26
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quote: Originally posted by cwchang2100
quote: Originally posted by BlueWhaleMoon
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Military/M.1673249729.A.608.html CSIS ³ø§iºÙ¡A¬üx¬°¤F¨¾¤î¤¤°ê³Ì²×±±¨î¥xÆW¡A¦b¨ä¹B¦æªº 24 ¦¸§L´Ñ±Àºt¤¤¥X²{¤F¥|Ó±`¶q¡G
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Analysis of the 24 game iterations showed four necessary conditions to defeat a Chinese invasion.
1. Taiwanese forces must hold the line. 2. There is no ¡§Ukraine model¡¨ for Taiwan. 3. The United States must be able to use its bases in Japan for combat operations. 4. The United States must be able to strike the Chinese fleet rapidly and en masse from outside the Chinese defensive zone.
ÁÙ"±`¶q"°Ç?! ³o¬O¦b½ԣ°?! ¾÷½¤]¨S³o»òÄê!!
°£¤F¬q¸¨¶¶§Ç¤£¦P©M¥¼Ä¶¥X¬üxª½±µ°Ñ¾Ô¥~,¤¤Ä¶ºKn¤jP¬O·Ç½Tªº 1. Taiwanese forces must hold the line. =>¬Æ¦Üì¤å¤ñ¤¤Ä¶ºKn´Á«Ý§ó°ª,n¨Dµo°Ê¦³¤Oªº¤Ï§ð(...¶ß¤F¦h¤Ö=_=?) Because some Chinese forces will always land on the island, Taiwanese ground forces must be able to contain any beachhead and then counterattack forcefully as Chinese logistics weaken
2. There is no ¡§Ukraine model¡¨ for Taiwan. =>¬Û·í©ó¤¤Ä¶ª©4 ...in wartime, if the United States decides to defend Taiwan, U.S. forces must quickly engage in direct combat... ...Taiwan must start the war with everything it needs...
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4.¬Û·í©ó¤¤Ä¶ª©3 The United States must be able to strike the Chinese fleet rapidly and en masse from outside the Chinese defensive zone. Recommendation: Increase the arsenal of long-range anti-ship cruise missiles. |
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Posted - 01/10/2023 : 01:41:37
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cwchang2100
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Posted - 01/10/2023 : 03:43:35
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quote: Originally posted by ki1
quote: Originally posted by cwchang2100
quote: Originally posted by BlueWhaleMoon
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Military/M.1673249729.A.608.html CSIS ³ø§iºÙ¡A¬üx¬°¤F¨¾¤î¤¤°ê³Ì²×±±¨î¥xÆW¡A¦b¨ä¹B¦æªº 24 ¦¸§L´Ñ±Àºt¤¤¥X²{¤F¥|Ó±`¶q¡G
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Analysis of the 24 game iterations showed four necessary conditions to defeat a Chinese invasion.
1. Taiwanese forces must hold the line. 2. There is no ¡§Ukraine model¡¨ for Taiwan. 3. The United States must be able to use its bases in Japan for combat operations. 4. The United States must be able to strike the Chinese fleet rapidly and en masse from outside the Chinese defensive zone.
ÁÙ"±`¶q"°Ç?! ³o¬O¦b½ԣ°?! ¾÷½¤]¨S³o»òÄê!!
°£¤F¬q¸¨¶¶§Ç¤£¦P©M¥¼Ä¶¥X¬üxª½±µ°Ñ¾Ô¥~,¤¤Ä¶ºKn¤jP¬O·Ç½Tªº 1. Taiwanese forces must hold the line. =>¬Æ¦Üì¤å¤ñ¤¤Ä¶ºKn´Á«Ý§ó°ª,n¨Dµo°Ê¦³¤Oªº¤Ï§ð(...¶ß¤F¦h¤Ö=_=?) Because some Chinese forces will always land on the island, Taiwanese ground forces must be able to contain any beachhead and then counterattack forcefully as Chinese logistics weaken
2. There is no ¡§Ukraine model¡¨ for Taiwan. =>¬Û·í©ó¤¤Ä¶ª©4 ...in wartime, if the United States decides to defend Taiwan, U.S. forces must quickly engage in direct combat... ...Taiwan must start the war with everything it needs...
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4.¬Û·í©ó¤¤Ä¶ª©3 The United States must be able to strike the Chinese fleet rapidly and en masse from outside the Chinese defensive zone. Recommendation: Increase the arsenal of long-range anti-ship cruise missiles.
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cwchang2100
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Posted - 01/10/2023 : 04:26:58
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quote: Originally posted by ¤p¤ò
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Posted - 01/10/2023 : 07:13:54
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quote: Originally posted by ki1
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Posted - 01/10/2023 : 07:32:29
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Posted - 01/10/2023 : 07:54:40
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