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cwchang2100
我是老鳥

Cayman Islands
16492 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2023 :  19:29:55  會員資料  Visit cwchang2100's Homepage Send cwchang2100 a Private Message  引言回覆
quote:
Originally posted by semmyenator


你說我Ai不能自理,我說你妓者腦補不能自理,空談這"自理"並無意義,
就在這立個flag,看看2024年03月26日前,有沒出現售台f404/414的任何美國政府文告,就看何人"不能自理"呀wwW





笑死人了,有人說是一年內就要賣了嗎??

退一萬步,台灣早已買到F100/F110大推力引擎,你又要怎麼解釋??
新的F-16V就是用F110喔!

看來你還是沒啥膽子,沒有自信,無法自理,所以只敢賭到2024年!!

你怎麼沒有自信,自理提出美國反對的證據呢??? 呵呵呵

有沒有發現,你都是被動等別人/AI給證明,從來都不是自理找出證據!
好歹Google一下,自理找點證據吧!! 否則,你等於證明你自己無法自理!

--------------------------------

這些秘密話語來自活著的耶穌,由迪迪摩斯•猶大•多馬記錄。
他說:「任何人發現了這些話的意義,將不會嚐到死亡的滋味。」
多馬福音第1節

Edited by - cwchang2100 on 03/26/2023 19:33:52
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semmyenator
我是菜鳥

Japan
502 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2023 :  20:01:34  會員資料 Send semmyenator a Private Message  引言回覆
quote:
Originally posted by cwchang2100

quote:
Originally posted by semmyenator


你說我Ai不能自理,我說你妓者腦補不能自理,空談這"自理"並無意義,
就在這立個flag,看看2024年03月26日前,有沒出現售台f404/414的任何美國政府文告,就看何人"不能自理"呀wwW





笑死人了,有人說是一年內就要賣了嗎??

退一萬步,台灣早已買到F100/F110大推力引擎,你又要怎麼解釋??
新的F-16V就是用F110喔!

看來你還是沒啥膽子,沒有自信,無法自理,所以只敢賭到2024年!!

你怎麼沒有自信,自理提出美國反對的證據呢??? 呵呵呵

有沒有發現,你都是被動等別人/AI給證明,從來都不是自理找出證據!
好歹Google一下,自理找點證據吧!! 否則,你等於證明你自己無法自理!

--------------------------------

這些秘密話語來自活著的耶穌,由迪迪摩斯•猶大•多馬記錄。
他說:「任何人發現了這些話的意義,將不會嚐到死亡的滋味。」
多馬福音第1節


There is a saying on the Internet that Taiwan proposed to the United States to purchase the F414 turbofan engine of the American company General Electric, and the United States also expressed its non-opposition position. Is there any data to support this claim?

there were reports that Taiwan was seeking to purchase the F414 turbofan engines from General Electric for its indigenous fighter jet program, the F-CK-2. Taiwan has been seeking to upgrade its military capabilities amid increasing tensions with China.

the United States approved the sale of 66 F-16 fighter jets to Taiwan, which was seen as a move to bolster Taiwan's defense against China. However, I cannot confirm whether the United States has explicitly expressed a non-opposition position to Taiwan's potential purchase of the F414 engines or whether the purchase has been finalized. It is important to note that the political implications of such a purchase could be significant given the complex relations between Taiwan, the United States, and China.

The relationship between the United States and Taiwan is a complex one, as the United States has officially recognized the People's Republic of China as the sole legal government of China since 1979. However, the United States maintains unofficial relations with Taiwan, and has sold military equipment to Taiwan for the purpose of self-defense.

China, on the other hand, considers Taiwan a part of its territory and has repeatedly threatened to use military force to reunify Taiwan with the mainland. China has also opposed any foreign military sales to Taiwan, including the sale of the F-16 fighter jets.

The potential sale of the F414 engines to Taiwan, if indeed it is pursued and finalized, could further strain the already tense relations between China and Taiwan, as well as between China and the United States. It is possible that China could see such a sale as a provocative move by the United States and Taiwan, and respond with economic or military measures.

There was no confirmation that the sale of the F414 engines to Taiwan had been finalized, and any potential sale would likely be subject to approval by the United States government.

The relationship between the United States and Taiwan is a complex one, as the United States has officially recognized the People's Republic of China as the sole legal government of China since 1979. However, the United States maintains unofficial relations with Taiwan, and has sold military equipment to Taiwan for the purpose of self-defense.

China, on the other hand, considers Taiwan a part of its territory and has repeatedly threatened to use military force to reunify Taiwan with the mainland. China has also opposed any foreign military sales to Taiwan, including the sale of the F-16 fighter jets in 2021.

The potential sale of the F414 engines to Taiwan, if indeed it is pursued and finalized, could further strain the already tense relations between China and Taiwan, as well as between China and the United States. It is possible that China could see such a sale as a provocative move by the United States and Taiwan, and respond with economic or military measures.

There was no confirmation that the sale of the F414 engines to Taiwan had been finalized, and any potential sale would likely be subject to approval by the United States government.

Could not find definitive public evidence to confirm that Taiwan has proposed purchasing General Electric F414 engines or that the U.S. has expressed non-opposition. There are some reports in Taiwanese media speculating about Taiwan's interest in the F414 engines for its Indigenous Defense Fighter program. However, I did not see any official announcements from Taiwan or U.S. government sources confirming a proposal or expression of non-opposition. The claims may reflect possibilities or rumors, but specific verified information about such a proposal or expression of non-opposition does not appear to be publicly available at this time.

Here are some additional details:

• The F414 is an advanced turbofan engine used in the U.S. Navy's Super Hornet fighter jets. It offers more thrust and efficiency than earlier engine models. Some analysts speculate Taiwan may be interested in the F414 for its Indigenous Defense Fighter to improve performance.

• However, there is no confirmation yet from Taiwan that it has formally proposed purchasing F414 engines. The Taiwanese Ministry of National Defense has primarily discussed continuing development of the Indigenous Defense Fighter's existing engine. Public statements have not announced a shift to the F414.

• On the U.S. side, there are no public statements from government officials indicating non-opposition to a potential F414 sale. U.S. arms sales to Taiwan are controversial and closely monitored. If the U.S. were supporting a major engine sale, it would likely be disclosed in official communications. The lack of such announcements suggests claims of U.S. non-opposition may be speculative at this time.

• Of course, secret or private communications on this topic could have occurred but are not verifiable with open sources. Unless and until there are official public statements, we cannot confirm with certainty that Taiwan has proposed this purchase or that the U.S. has signaled non-opposition. The situation could change as Taiwan's fighter program progresses, but for now public evidence of this specific claim appears lacking.

Up to that date, there were no publicly available reports of Taiwan proposing to purchase General Electric F414 turbofan engines from the United States. However, given the ongoing relationship between Taiwan and the U.S. in terms of defense cooperation, it is not impossible for such a proposal to have been made or for the U.S. to have expressed a non-opposition position to it since then.

This claim appears to be supported by some public reports and statements, though I have not seen official confirmation from the U.S. and Taiwan governments. Specifically:

1. In March 2019, Taiwan's Defense Ministry proposed to the Legislative Yuan a special budget of NT$2.4 billion (about US$78 million) for procuring engines to power its indigenous jet trainers. Media reports suggested these could be GE's F414 engines, the same used on the F/A-18 Super Hornet.

2. In April 2019, the U.S.-Taiwan Business Council, which advocates for arms sales to Taiwan, issued a statement applauding the proposal and urging the U.S. to approve the sale. The statement said "The F414 engine would provide Taiwan with an engine well-suited to power its new trainer aircraft and help reduce its dependence on less reliable engine suppliers."

3. In May 2019, the Pentagon's Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Taiwan for the F414 engines and related equipment, valued at an estimated $500 million. This notification suggests the U.S. did not oppose the sale.

4. Taiwan's Aerospace Industrial Development Corporation has suggested the F414 engine would be suitable to power Taiwan's indigenous "Cloud Leopard" jet trainer, which is still in development.

However, to my knowledge there has been no official joint statement from the U.S. and Taiwan announcing a final agreement or contract for the F414 engines. So, while there are indications the U.S. does not oppose Taiwan's desire to purchase the engines, we are still waiting for confirmation that a deal has been formally made.

要貼我隨便搞搞就一大堆,但你大可以說是過期Ai出的垃圾,討論這證不證據又有何意義?

你笑我有人說是一年內就要賣了嗎只敢賭到2024年,不定期限如何玩也行呀,還在玩曹興誠那招"空口捐款",還是像某川普承諾的F35,到菜菜子下台也售不出買不到?wwW

這就你的所謂自理了嗎?





寶祚延庥萬國歡 景星拱極五雲端
海波澄碧春輝麗 旌節花間集鳳鸞
晚傾波濤離海岸 天風浩蕩白鷗閒
舟人哪知傷心處 遙指前程是馬關
明知此是傷心地 亦到維舟首重回
十七年中多少事 春帆樓下晚濤哀
--詩述甲午黃海 雪野,李鴻章,梁啟超

Edited by - semmyenator on 03/26/2023 20:17:38
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wowu5
我是菜鳥

Hong Kong
425 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2023 :  20:22:41  會員資料 Send wowu5 a Private Message  引言回覆
這裡不是AI廢文回收所

真的有消息來源直接貼新聞連結好了,廢文整篇都是「no confirmation」是來刷字數嗎?

quote:

1. In March 2019, Taiwan's Defense Ministry proposed to the Legislative Yuan a special budget of NT$2.4 billion (about US$78 million) for procuring engines to power its indigenous jet trainers. Media reports suggested these could be GE's F414 engines, the same used on the F/A-18 Super Hornet.

2. In April 2019, the U.S.-Taiwan Business Council, which advocates for arms sales to Taiwan, issued a statement applauding the proposal and urging the U.S. to approve the sale. The statement said "The F414 engine would provide Taiwan with an engine well-suited to power its new trainer aircraft and help reduce its dependence on less reliable engine suppliers."

3. In May 2019, the Pentagon's Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Taiwan for the F414 engines and related equipment, valued at an estimated $500 million. This notification suggests the U.S. did not oppose the sale.

4. Taiwan's Aerospace Industrial Development Corporation has suggested the F414 engine would be suitable to power Taiwan's indigenous "Cloud Leopard" jet trainer, which is still in development.



全部都是fake news
這個AI還自行幻想出「雲豹高教機」

Edited by - wowu5 on 03/26/2023 20:28:34
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cwchang2100
我是老鳥

Cayman Islands
16492 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2023 :  20:28:56  會員資料  Visit cwchang2100's Homepage Send cwchang2100 a Private Message  引言回覆
quote:
Originally posted by semmyenator


There is a saying on the Internet that Taiwan proposed to the United States to purchase the F414 turbofan engine of the American company General Electric, and the United States also expressed its non-opposition position. Is there any data to support this claim?

there were reports that Taiwan was seeking to purchase the F414 turbofan engines from General Electric for its indigenous fighter jet program, the F-CK-2. Taiwan has been seeking to upgrade its military capabilities amid increasing tensions with China.

the United States approved the sale of 66 F-16 fighter jets to Taiwan, which was seen as a move to bolster Taiwan's defense against China. However, I cannot confirm whether the United States has explicitly expressed a non-opposition position to Taiwan's potential purchase of the F414 engines or whether the purchase has been finalized. It is important to note that the political implications of such a purchase could be significant given the complex relations between Taiwan, the United States, and China.

The relationship between the United States and Taiwan is a complex one, as the United States has officially recognized the People's Republic of China as the sole legal government of China since 1979. However, the United States maintains unofficial relations with Taiwan, and has sold military equipment to Taiwan for the purpose of self-defense.

China, on the other hand, considers Taiwan a part of its territory and has repeatedly threatened to use military force to reunify Taiwan with the mainland. China has also opposed any foreign military sales to Taiwan, including the sale of the F-16 fighter jets.

The potential sale of the F414 engines to Taiwan, if indeed it is pursued and finalized, could further strain the already tense relations between China and Taiwan, as well as between China and the United States. It is possible that China could see such a sale as a provocative move by the United States and Taiwan, and respond with economic or military measures.

There was no confirmation that the sale of the F414 engines to Taiwan had been finalized, and any potential sale would likely be subject to approval by the United States government.

The relationship between the United States and Taiwan is a complex one, as the United States has officially recognized the People's Republic of China as the sole legal government of China since 1979. However, the United States maintains unofficial relations with Taiwan, and has sold military equipment to Taiwan for the purpose of self-defense.

China, on the other hand, considers Taiwan a part of its territory and has repeatedly threatened to use military force to reunify Taiwan with the mainland. China has also opposed any foreign military sales to Taiwan, including the sale of the F-16 fighter jets in 2021.

The potential sale of the F414 engines to Taiwan, if indeed it is pursued and finalized, could further strain the already tense relations between China and Taiwan, as well as between China and the United States. It is possible that China could see such a sale as a provocative move by the United States and Taiwan, and respond with economic or military measures.

There was no confirmation that the sale of the F414 engines to Taiwan had been finalized, and any potential sale would likely be subject to approval by the United States government.

Could not find definitive public evidence to confirm that Taiwan has proposed purchasing General Electric F414 engines or that the U.S. has expressed non-opposition. There are some reports in Taiwanese media speculating about Taiwan's interest in the F414 engines for its Indigenous Defense Fighter program. However, I did not see any official announcements from Taiwan or U.S. government sources confirming a proposal or expression of non-opposition. The claims may reflect possibilities or rumors, but specific verified information about such a proposal or expression of non-opposition does not appear to be publicly available at this time.

Here are some additional details:

• The F414 is an advanced turbofan engine used in the U.S. Navy's Super Hornet fighter jets. It offers more thrust and efficiency than earlier engine models. Some analysts speculate Taiwan may be interested in the F414 for its Indigenous Defense Fighter to improve performance.

• However, there is no confirmation yet from Taiwan that it has formally proposed purchasing F414 engines. The Taiwanese Ministry of National Defense has primarily discussed continuing development of the Indigenous Defense Fighter's existing engine. Public statements have not announced a shift to the F414.

• On the U.S. side, there are no public statements from government officials indicating non-opposition to a potential F414 sale. U.S. arms sales to Taiwan are controversial and closely monitored. If the U.S. were supporting a major engine sale, it would likely be disclosed in official communications. The lack of such announcements suggests claims of U.S. non-opposition may be speculative at this time.

• Of course, secret or private communications on this topic could have occurred but are not verifiable with open sources. Unless and until there are official public statements, we cannot confirm with certainty that Taiwan has proposed this purchase or that the U.S. has signaled non-opposition. The situation could change as Taiwan's fighter program progresses, but for now public evidence of this specific claim appears lacking.

Up to that date, there were no publicly available reports of Taiwan proposing to purchase General Electric F414 turbofan engines from the United States. However, given the ongoing relationship between Taiwan and the U.S. in terms of defense cooperation, it is not impossible for such a proposal to have been made or for the U.S. to have expressed a non-opposition position to it since then.

This claim appears to be supported by some public reports and statements, though I have not seen official confirmation from the U.S. and Taiwan governments. Specifically:

1. In March 2019, Taiwan's Defense Ministry proposed to the Legislative Yuan a special budget of NT$2.4 billion (about US$78 million) for procuring engines to power its indigenous jet trainers. Media reports suggested these could be GE's F414 engines, the same used on the F/A-18 Super Hornet.

2. In April 2019, the U.S.-Taiwan Business Council, which advocates for arms sales to Taiwan, issued a statement applauding the proposal and urging the U.S. to approve the sale. The statement said "The F414 engine would provide Taiwan with an engine well-suited to power its new trainer aircraft and help reduce its dependence on less reliable engine suppliers."

3. In May 2019, the Pentagon's Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Taiwan for the F414 engines and related equipment, valued at an estimated $500 million. This notification suggests the U.S. did not oppose the sale.

4. Taiwan's Aerospace Industrial Development Corporation has suggested the F414 engine would be suitable to power Taiwan's indigenous "Cloud Leopard" jet trainer, which is still in development.

However, to my knowledge there has been no official joint statement from the U.S. and Taiwan announcing a final agreement or contract for the F414 engines. So, while there are indications the U.S. does not oppose Taiwan's desire to purchase the engines, we are still waiting for confirmation that a deal has been formally made.

要貼我隨便搞搞就一大堆,但你大可以說是過期Ai出的垃圾,討論這證不證據又有何意義?

你笑我有人說是一年內就要賣了嗎只敢賭到2024年,不定期限如何玩也行呀,還在玩曹興誠那招"空口捐款",還是像某川普承諾的F35,到菜菜子下台也售不出買不到?wwW

這就你的所謂自理了嗎?





你這不就再度證明你不能自理嗎??? 呵呵呵
你以為換英文就能打混過去了嗎???
還是被我料中了! 你就只能靠個破爛的過期AI!

你根本無法自理找出美國反對出售F404/F414給台灣的證據!

對我來說意義真的不大,就只是一些垃圾而已.
不過,對你的意義可能很大,不能自理的話,可能要去看個醫生,以免出現更大的問題!


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這些秘密話語來自活著的耶穌,由迪迪摩斯•猶大•多馬記錄。
他說:「任何人發現了這些話的意義,將不會嚐到死亡的滋味。」
多馬福音第1節
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semmyenator
我是菜鳥

Japan
502 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2023 :  20:32:37  會員資料 Send semmyenator a Private Message  引言回覆
quote:
Originally posted by wowu5

這裡不是AI廢文回收所

真的有消息來源直接貼新聞連結好了,廢文整篇都是「no confirmation」是來刷字數嗎?

quote:

1. In March 2019, Taiwan's Defense Ministry proposed to the Legislative Yuan a special budget of NT$2.4 billion (about US$78 million) for procuring engines to power its indigenous jet trainers. Media reports suggested these could be GE's F414 engines, the same used on the F/A-18 Super Hornet.

2. In April 2019, the U.S.-Taiwan Business Council, which advocates for arms sales to Taiwan, issued a statement applauding the proposal and urging the U.S. to approve the sale. The statement said "The F414 engine would provide Taiwan with an engine well-suited to power its new trainer aircraft and help reduce its dependence on less reliable engine suppliers."

3. In May 2019, the Pentagon's Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Taiwan for the F414 engines and related equipment, valued at an estimated $500 million. This notification suggests the U.S. did not oppose the sale.

4. Taiwan's Aerospace Industrial Development Corporation has suggested the F414 engine would be suitable to power Taiwan's indigenous "Cloud Leopard" jet trainer, which is still in development.



全部都是fake news




咁叻咁勁咪等你facecheck Lo,Ai文就廢文,假新聞吾係廢文,定你港安法咁港共認可先吾算廢文呀



寶祚延庥萬國歡 景星拱極五雲端
海波澄碧春輝麗 旌節花間集鳳鸞
晚傾波濤離海岸 天風浩蕩白鷗閒
舟人哪知傷心處 遙指前程是馬關
明知此是傷心地 亦到維舟首重回
十七年中多少事 春帆樓下晚濤哀
--詩述甲午黃海 雪野,李鴻章,梁啟超

Edited by - semmyenator on 03/26/2023 20:39:58
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semmyenator
我是菜鳥

Japan
502 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2023 :  20:38:41  會員資料 Send semmyenator a Private Message  引言回覆
quote:
Originally posted by cwchang2100

quote:
Originally posted by semmyenator


There is a saying on the Internet that Taiwan proposed to the United States to purchase the F414 turbofan engine of the American company General Electric, and the United States also expressed its non-opposition position. Is there any data to support this claim?

there were reports that Taiwan was seeking to purchase the F414 turbofan engines from General Electric for its indigenous fighter jet program, the F-CK-2. Taiwan has been seeking to upgrade its military capabilities amid increasing tensions with China.

the United States approved the sale of 66 F-16 fighter jets to Taiwan, which was seen as a move to bolster Taiwan's defense against China. However, I cannot confirm whether the United States has explicitly expressed a non-opposition position to Taiwan's potential purchase of the F414 engines or whether the purchase has been finalized. It is important to note that the political implications of such a purchase could be significant given the complex relations between Taiwan, the United States, and China.

The relationship between the United States and Taiwan is a complex one, as the United States has officially recognized the People's Republic of China as the sole legal government of China since 1979. However, the United States maintains unofficial relations with Taiwan, and has sold military equipment to Taiwan for the purpose of self-defense.

China, on the other hand, considers Taiwan a part of its territory and has repeatedly threatened to use military force to reunify Taiwan with the mainland. China has also opposed any foreign military sales to Taiwan, including the sale of the F-16 fighter jets.

The potential sale of the F414 engines to Taiwan, if indeed it is pursued and finalized, could further strain the already tense relations between China and Taiwan, as well as between China and the United States. It is possible that China could see such a sale as a provocative move by the United States and Taiwan, and respond with economic or military measures.

There was no confirmation that the sale of the F414 engines to Taiwan had been finalized, and any potential sale would likely be subject to approval by the United States government.

The relationship between the United States and Taiwan is a complex one, as the United States has officially recognized the People's Republic of China as the sole legal government of China since 1979. However, the United States maintains unofficial relations with Taiwan, and has sold military equipment to Taiwan for the purpose of self-defense.

China, on the other hand, considers Taiwan a part of its territory and has repeatedly threatened to use military force to reunify Taiwan with the mainland. China has also opposed any foreign military sales to Taiwan, including the sale of the F-16 fighter jets in 2021.

The potential sale of the F414 engines to Taiwan, if indeed it is pursued and finalized, could further strain the already tense relations between China and Taiwan, as well as between China and the United States. It is possible that China could see such a sale as a provocative move by the United States and Taiwan, and respond with economic or military measures.

There was no confirmation that the sale of the F414 engines to Taiwan had been finalized, and any potential sale would likely be subject to approval by the United States government.

Could not find definitive public evidence to confirm that Taiwan has proposed purchasing General Electric F414 engines or that the U.S. has expressed non-opposition. There are some reports in Taiwanese media speculating about Taiwan's interest in the F414 engines for its Indigenous Defense Fighter program. However, I did not see any official announcements from Taiwan or U.S. government sources confirming a proposal or expression of non-opposition. The claims may reflect possibilities or rumors, but specific verified information about such a proposal or expression of non-opposition does not appear to be publicly available at this time.

Here are some additional details:

• The F414 is an advanced turbofan engine used in the U.S. Navy's Super Hornet fighter jets. It offers more thrust and efficiency than earlier engine models. Some analysts speculate Taiwan may be interested in the F414 for its Indigenous Defense Fighter to improve performance.

• However, there is no confirmation yet from Taiwan that it has formally proposed purchasing F414 engines. The Taiwanese Ministry of National Defense has primarily discussed continuing development of the Indigenous Defense Fighter's existing engine. Public statements have not announced a shift to the F414.

• On the U.S. side, there are no public statements from government officials indicating non-opposition to a potential F414 sale. U.S. arms sales to Taiwan are controversial and closely monitored. If the U.S. were supporting a major engine sale, it would likely be disclosed in official communications. The lack of such announcements suggests claims of U.S. non-opposition may be speculative at this time.

• Of course, secret or private communications on this topic could have occurred but are not verifiable with open sources. Unless and until there are official public statements, we cannot confirm with certainty that Taiwan has proposed this purchase or that the U.S. has signaled non-opposition. The situation could change as Taiwan's fighter program progresses, but for now public evidence of this specific claim appears lacking.

Up to that date, there were no publicly available reports of Taiwan proposing to purchase General Electric F414 turbofan engines from the United States. However, given the ongoing relationship between Taiwan and the U.S. in terms of defense cooperation, it is not impossible for such a proposal to have been made or for the U.S. to have expressed a non-opposition position to it since then.

This claim appears to be supported by some public reports and statements, though I have not seen official confirmation from the U.S. and Taiwan governments. Specifically:

1. In March 2019, Taiwan's Defense Ministry proposed to the Legislative Yuan a special budget of NT$2.4 billion (about US$78 million) for procuring engines to power its indigenous jet trainers. Media reports suggested these could be GE's F414 engines, the same used on the F/A-18 Super Hornet.

2. In April 2019, the U.S.-Taiwan Business Council, which advocates for arms sales to Taiwan, issued a statement applauding the proposal and urging the U.S. to approve the sale. The statement said "The F414 engine would provide Taiwan with an engine well-suited to power its new trainer aircraft and help reduce its dependence on less reliable engine suppliers."

3. In May 2019, the Pentagon's Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Taiwan for the F414 engines and related equipment, valued at an estimated $500 million. This notification suggests the U.S. did not oppose the sale.

4. Taiwan's Aerospace Industrial Development Corporation has suggested the F414 engine would be suitable to power Taiwan's indigenous "Cloud Leopard" jet trainer, which is still in development.

However, to my knowledge there has been no official joint statement from the U.S. and Taiwan announcing a final agreement or contract for the F414 engines. So, while there are indications the U.S. does not oppose Taiwan's desire to purchase the engines, we are still waiting for confirmation that a deal has been formally made.

要貼我隨便搞搞就一大堆,但你大可以說是過期Ai出的垃圾,討論這證不證據又有何意義?

你笑我有人說是一年內就要賣了嗎只敢賭到2024年,不定期限如何玩也行呀,還在玩曹興誠那招"空口捐款",還是像某川普承諾的F35,到菜菜子下台也售不出買不到?wwW

這就你的所謂自理了嗎?





你這不就再度證明你不能自理嗎??? 呵呵呵
你以為換英文就能打混過去了嗎???
還是被我料中了! 你就只能靠個破爛的過期AI!

你根本無法自理找出美國反對出售F404/F414給台灣的證據!

對我來說意義真的不大,就只是一些垃圾而已.
不過,對你的意義可能很大,不能自理的話,可能要去看個醫生,以免出現更大的問題!


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這些秘密話語來自活著的耶穌,由迪迪摩斯•猶大•多馬記錄。
他說:「任何人發現了這些話的意義,將不會嚐到死亡的滋味。」
多馬福音第1節



你邊隻屎眼見我有寫過有美國反對?病向淺中醫,思覺失調,搞到失禁就吾好LA


寶祚延庥萬國歡 景星拱極五雲端
海波澄碧春輝麗 旌節花間集鳳鸞
晚傾波濤離海岸 天風浩蕩白鷗閒
舟人哪知傷心處 遙指前程是馬關
明知此是傷心地 亦到維舟首重回
十七年中多少事 春帆樓下晚濤哀
--詩述甲午黃海 雪野,李鴻章,梁啟超
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cwchang2100
我是老鳥

Cayman Islands
16492 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2023 :  20:54:39  會員資料  Visit cwchang2100's Homepage Send cwchang2100 a Private Message  引言回覆
quote:
Originally posted by semmyenator


你邊隻屎眼見我有寫過有美國反對?病向淺中醫,思覺失調,搞到失禁就吾好LA




哈哈哈

看來有人失控失禁了! 趕快去看看醫生囉! 不見得只看中醫啦! 西醫也行!

如果美國不反對,那麼你不就是贊成我寫的東西了嗎??

唉...我都不知道該怎麼幫你了?! 邏輯上前後矛盾,文章顛三倒四,連個話都說不清楚.
你只會用過期的破爛AI,這樣真的有點嚴重.

我再寫一次重點好了! 美國並不反對出售F404/F414給台灣!

這是有明確新聞出處,某S網友,看來也已無力自理反駁,只好認慫!

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這些秘密話語來自活著的耶穌,由迪迪摩斯•猶大•多馬記錄。
他說:「任何人發現了這些話的意義,將不會嚐到死亡的滋味。」
多馬福音第1節
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semmyenator
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Japan
502 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2023 :  20:56:53  會員資料 Send semmyenator a Private Message  引言回覆
quote:
Originally posted by cwchang2100

quote:
Originally posted by semmyenator


你邊隻屎眼見我有寫過有美國反對?病向淺中醫,思覺失調,搞到失禁就吾好LA




哈哈哈

看來有人失控失禁了! 趕快去看看醫生囉! 不見得只看中醫啦! 西醫也行!

如果美國不反對,那麼你不就是贊成我寫的東西了嗎??

唉...我都不知道該怎麼幫你了?! 邏輯上前後矛盾,文章顛三倒四,連個話都說不清楚.
你只會用過期的破爛AI,這樣真的有點嚴重.

我再寫一次重點好了! 美國並不反對出售F404/F414給台灣!

這是有明確新聞出處,某S網友,看來也已無力自理反駁,只好認慫!

--------------------------------

這些秘密話語來自活著的耶穌,由迪迪摩斯•猶大•多馬記錄。
他說:「任何人發現了這些話的意義,將不會嚐到死亡的滋味。」
多馬福音第1節



咪話左資料來源系google bard lo,你睇吾掂,facecheck吾到關我咩事?咁都叫冇來源?

我只係話末買到咪當自己有,咁都打得飛機,好野wwW




寶祚延庥萬國歡 景星拱極五雲端
海波澄碧春輝麗 旌節花間集鳳鸞
晚傾波濤離海岸 天風浩蕩白鷗閒
舟人哪知傷心處 遙指前程是馬關
明知此是傷心地 亦到維舟首重回
十七年中多少事 春帆樓下晚濤哀
--詩述甲午黃海 雪野,李鴻章,梁啟超

Edited by - semmyenator on 03/26/2023 21:07:22
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cwchang2100
我是老鳥

Cayman Islands
16492 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2023 :  22:08:37  會員資料  Visit cwchang2100's Homepage Send cwchang2100 a Private Message  引言回覆
quote:
Originally posted by semmyenator


咪話左資料來源系google bard lo,你睇吾掂,facecheck吾到關我咩事?咁都叫冇來源?
我只係話末買到咪當自己有,咁都打得飛機,好野wwW





呵呵

你看來真的是無法自理了! 都要逃避到方言裡面去躲起來.
連講事情的勇氣都沒有,我也不想再逼你了!

反正大家都看得很清楚,美國不反對出售F404/F414給台灣是查得到的消息.
某些奇怪的網友,無法自理的搞不清狀況,也拿不出反對的證據,我也幫不了忙.

至於Google Bard,大家可以去查查目前各家的評估!
看來Google Bard還是不如ChatGPT,ChatGPT還是處於統治性的領先地位!
某些網友以為能取得Google Bard的答案就如獲至寶,恐怕是嚴重誤判.
最後只是變成搞笑而已.

https://www.tomsguide.com/face-off/chatgpt-vs-google-bard
ChatGPT vs Google Bard: Everything we know so far
...
ChatGPT was first but for now, it still reigns supreme.
...

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這些秘密話語來自活著的耶穌,由迪迪摩斯•猶大•多馬記錄。
他說:「任何人發現了這些話的意義,將不會嚐到死亡的滋味。」
多馬福音第1節
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semmyenator
我是菜鳥

Japan
502 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2023 :  22:19:38  會員資料 Send semmyenator a Private Message  引言回覆
quote:
Originally posted by cwchang2100

quote:
Originally posted by semmyenator


咪話左資料來源系google bard lo,你睇吾掂,facecheck吾到關我咩事?咁都叫冇來源?
我只係話末買到咪當自己有,咁都打得飛機,好野wwW





呵呵

你看來真的是無法自理了! 都要逃避到方言裡面去躲起來.
連講事情的勇氣都沒有,我也不想再逼你了!

反正大家都看得很清楚,美國不反對出售F404/F414給台灣是查得到的消息.
某些奇怪的網友,無法自理的搞不清狀況,也拿不出反對的證據,我也幫不了忙.

至於Google Bard,大家可以去查查目前各家的評估!
看來Google Bard還是不如ChatGPT,ChatGPT還是處於統治性的領先地位!
某些網友以為能取得Google Bard的答案就如獲至寶,恐怕是嚴重誤判.
最後只是變成搞笑而已.

https://www.tomsguide.com/face-off/chatgpt-vs-google-bard
ChatGPT vs Google Bard: Everything we know so far
...
ChatGPT was first but for now, it still reigns supreme.
...

--------------------------------

這些秘密話語來自活著的耶穌,由迪迪摩斯•猶大•多馬記錄。
他說:「任何人發現了這些話的意義,將不會嚐到死亡的滋味。」
多馬福音第1節



你老母生到你D方言同大6佬一樣wo,咁你系日日比人割韮菜?

我冇話過Ai一定準,但Ai連相關資料都冇時,你D所謂新聞又系咩垃圾先?



寶祚延庥萬國歡 景星拱極五雲端
海波澄碧春輝麗 旌節花間集鳳鸞
晚傾波濤離海岸 天風浩蕩白鷗閒
舟人哪知傷心處 遙指前程是馬關
明知此是傷心地 亦到維舟首重回
十七年中多少事 春帆樓下晚濤哀
--詩述甲午黃海 雪野,李鴻章,梁啟超

Edited by - semmyenator on 03/26/2023 22:20:30
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wowu5
我是菜鳥

Hong Kong
425 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2023 :  22:34:09  會員資料 Send wowu5 a Private Message  引言回覆

AI文章濫竽充數就算了 (那就跟網上的內容農場差不多),但AI主動製造假新聞這點就很有趣

上面那一段,當中說2019年DSCA批准對台出口F414,跟漢翔生產名叫「雲豹」的教練機,這些完全是無中生有的假消息(Google一下就知道了),而且100%是AI自己創造出來的 (以前網上討論從來沒有人提過「雲豹教練機」,連幻想區都沒有)
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hcwu
路人甲乙丙

912 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2023 :  22:50:12  會員資料 Send hcwu a Private Message  引言回覆
quote:
Originally posted by cwchang2100

quote:
Originally posted by semmyenator


咪話左資料來源系google bard lo,你睇吾掂,facecheck吾到關我咩事?咁都叫冇來源?
我只係話末買到咪當自己有,咁都打得飛機,好野wwW





呵呵

你看來真的是無法自理了! 都要逃避到方言裡面去躲起來.
連講事情的勇氣都沒有,我也不想再逼你了!

反正大家都看得很清楚,美國不反對出售F404/F414給台灣是查得到的消息.
某些奇怪的網友,無法自理的搞不清狀況,也拿不出反對的證據,我也幫不了忙.

至於Google Bard,大家可以去查查目前各家的評估!
看來Google Bard還是不如ChatGPT,ChatGPT還是處於統治性的領先地位!
某些網友以為能取得Google Bard的答案就如獲至寶,恐怕是嚴重誤判.
最後只是變成搞笑而已.

https://www.tomsguide.com/face-off/chatgpt-vs-google-bard
ChatGPT vs Google Bard: Everything we know so far
...
ChatGPT was first but for now, it still reigns supreme.
...

--------------------------------

這些秘密話語來自活著的耶穌,由迪迪摩斯•猶大•多馬記錄。
他說:「任何人發現了這些話的意義,將不會嚐到死亡的滋味。」
多馬福音第1節


"反正大家都看得很清楚,美國不反對出售F404/F414給台灣是查得到的消息.",要是這個為真,台灣下一代戰機應該是在設計中,也不會讓勇鷹機跑在前面,下一代初教機應該會買外國貨。
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semmyenator
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Japan
502 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2023 :  22:53:38  會員資料 Send semmyenator a Private Message  引言回覆
quote:
Originally posted by wowu5


AI文章濫竽充數就算了 (那就跟網上的內容農場差不多),但AI主動製造假新聞這點就很有趣

上面那一段,當中說2019年DSCA批准對台出口F414,跟漢翔生產名叫「雲豹」的教練機,這些完全是無中生有的假消息(Google一下就知道了),而且100%是AI自己創造出來的 (以前網上討論從來沒有人提過「雲豹教練機」,連幻想區都沒有)




... So be careful and verify what ChatBOT is providing you. ...



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海波澄碧春輝麗 旌節花間集鳳鸞
晚傾波濤離海岸 天風浩蕩白鷗閒
舟人哪知傷心處 遙指前程是馬關
明知此是傷心地 亦到維舟首重回
十七年中多少事 春帆樓下晚濤哀
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cwchang2100
我是老鳥

Cayman Islands
16492 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2023 :  22:56:52  會員資料  Visit cwchang2100's Homepage Send cwchang2100 a Private Message  引言回覆
quote:
Originally posted by semmyenator


你老母生到你D方言同大6佬一樣wo,咁你系日日比人割韮菜?

我冇話過Ai一定準,但Ai連相關資料都冇時,你D所謂新聞又系咩垃圾先?




有些人不能自理的症狀就是開始回歸母語方言!
西台灣的廣東地方,也是會跟你寫一樣的方言喔! 呵呵

我引用的新聞是大家可以查證的.反而Google Bard的結果是被證明有明顯的問題.
是不是垃圾,大家有目共睹!
至於哪一種消息來源更可信,這應該就不用我來講了.

如果你都沒有信心AI的東西一定準,那不就跟放屁沒兩樣??
隨便放一堆屁,然後說我不負責,你們愛信不信?!
那麼你能怪別人把你說得當放屁嗎?? 你都說不準了,別人還要信?那不就是智障了?!

自己都在瞎扯淡了,就別怪別人吐槽了! 回家好好找你老母治治病吧?!
個人完全沒有意願問候你的老母,只是你這麼愛提老母,我也沒辦法救你!

--------------------------------

這些秘密話語來自活著的耶穌,由迪迪摩斯•猶大•多馬記錄。
他說:「任何人發現了這些話的意義,將不會嚐到死亡的滋味。」
多馬福音第1節
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cwchang2100
我是老鳥

Cayman Islands
16492 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2023 :  23:01:57  會員資料  Visit cwchang2100's Homepage Send cwchang2100 a Private Message  引言回覆
quote:
Originally posted by hcwu


"反正大家都看得很清楚,美國不反對出售F404/F414給台灣是查得到的消息.",要是這個為真,台灣下一代戰機應該是在設計中,也不會讓勇鷹機跑在前面,下一代初教機應該會買外國貨。



看不懂你的邏輯,下一代戰機本來就是在設計中,設計本來一直都在進行.

這跟勇鷹跑不跑在前頭,一點關係也沒有.
這也跟下一代初教機是否買外國貨也沒有關係.

初教機由漢翔承接的機率不小.但是和F404/F414一點關係都沒有.

--------------------------------

這些秘密話語來自活著的耶穌,由迪迪摩斯•猶大•多馬記錄。
他說:「任何人發現了這些話的意義,將不會嚐到死亡的滋味。」
多馬福音第1節
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semmyenator
我是菜鳥

Japan
502 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2023 :  23:06:39  會員資料 Send semmyenator a Private Message  引言回覆
quote:
Originally posted by cwchang2100

quote:
Originally posted by semmyenator


你老母生到你D方言同大6佬一樣wo,咁你系日日比人割韮菜?

我冇話過Ai一定準,但Ai連相關資料都冇時,你D所謂新聞又系咩垃圾先?




有些人不能自理的症狀就是開始回歸母語方言!
西台灣的廣東地方,也是會跟你寫一樣的方言喔! 呵呵

我引用的新聞是大家可以查證的.反而Google Bard的結果是被證明有明顯的問題.
是不是垃圾,大家有目共睹!
至於哪一種消息來源更可信,這應該就不用我來講了.

如果你都沒有信心AI的東西一定準,那不就跟放屁沒兩樣??
隨便放一堆屁,然後說我不負責,你們愛信不信?!
那麼你能怪別人把你說得當放屁嗎?? 你都說不準了,別人還要信?那不就是智障了?!

自己都在瞎扯淡了,就別怪別人吐槽了! 回家好好找你老母治治病吧?!
個人完全沒有意願問候你的老母,只是你這麼愛提老母,我也沒辦法救你!

--------------------------------

這些秘密話語來自活著的耶穌,由迪迪摩斯•猶大•多馬記錄。
他說:「任何人發現了這些話的意義,將不會嚐到死亡的滋味。」
多馬福音第1節



等你返完大6,比人割完韮菜,我咪眼下去西台灣搵下娘親"醫病"Lo,同類住精神病院,就咪以為自己比人醒LA






寶祚延庥萬國歡 景星拱極五雲端
海波澄碧春輝麗 旌節花間集鳳鸞
晚傾波濤離海岸 天風浩蕩白鷗閒
舟人哪知傷心處 遙指前程是馬關
明知此是傷心地 亦到維舟首重回
十七年中多少事 春帆樓下晚濤哀
--詩述甲午黃海 雪野,李鴻章,梁啟超
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cwchang2100
我是老鳥

Cayman Islands
16492 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2023 :  23:33:50  會員資料  Visit cwchang2100's Homepage Send cwchang2100 a Private Message  引言回覆
quote:
Originally posted by semmyenator


等你返完大6,比人割完韮菜,我咪眼下去西台灣搵下娘親"醫病"Lo,同類住精神病院,就咪以為自己比人醒LA





你也是蠻奇葩的! 看來不能自理的問題蠻嚴重的.

(1)美國不反對出售F404/F414給台灣,怪我囉?? 又不是我決定的.
(2)記者知道消息之後,報導出來,怪我囉?? 又不是我報導的.
(3)你用的破爛AI亂寫,怪我囉?? 又不是我寫的AI.
(4)你老母跟你的關係,怪我囉?? 我又跟你老母不熟.
(5)你想不想去住精神病院,怪我囉?? 又不是我發神經.

不要把問題都怪在別人身上,你要學習自理呀! 等你學會自理,這些就不再是問題了!

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這些秘密話語來自活著的耶穌,由迪迪摩斯•猶大•多馬記錄。
他說:「任何人發現了這些話的意義,將不會嚐到死亡的滋味。」
多馬福音第1節
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hcwu
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Posted - 03/27/2023 :  00:06:11  會員資料 Send hcwu a Private Message  引言回覆
quote:
Originally posted by cwchang2100

quote:
Originally posted by hcwu


"反正大家都看得很清楚,美國不反對出售F404/F414給台灣是查得到的消息.",要是這個為真,台灣下一代戰機應該是在設計中,也不會讓勇鷹機跑在前面,下一代初教機應該會買外國貨。



看不懂你的邏輯,下一代戰機本來就是在設計中,設計本來一直都在進行.

這跟勇鷹跑不跑在前頭,一點關係也沒有.
這也跟下一代初教機是否買外國貨也沒有關係.

初教機由漢翔承接的機率不小.但是和F404/F414一點關係都沒有.

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這些秘密話語來自活著的耶穌,由迪迪摩斯•猶大•多馬記錄。
他說:「任何人發現了這些話的意義,將不會嚐到死亡的滋味。」
多馬福音第1節


你當台灣航太業有無限資源,可以初中高三線齊發嗎?40年前有強人政治都還不可行,現在如有美國放行發動機,那不舉國歡騰,還有時間在那用教練機練兵。
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cwchang2100
我是老鳥

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Posted - 03/27/2023 :  00:24:44  會員資料  Visit cwchang2100's Homepage Send cwchang2100 a Private Message  引言回覆
quote:
Originally posted by hcwu


你當台灣航太業有無限資源,可以初中高三線齊發嗎?40年前有強人政治都還不可行,現在如有美國放行發動機,那不舉國歡騰,還有時間在那用教練機練兵。



初教機哪裡需要多少資源???
這種基礎機型的發展,其實花不了多少資源.

下一代戰機的早期研發並不用使用太多資源.
勇鷹高教機的研發時間線跟下一代戰機的研發也是錯開的.
現在勇鷹高教機已完成開發,下一代戰機的研發高潮還沒開始.
並沒有同時研發的問題.

所以,哪裡來的初中高三線齊發???

IDS號稱研發完成的時候也沒有舉國歡騰好嗎??
更多的是冷感和質疑!!!

F404/F414也一樣,就算美國宣布了,一開始個人估計也是一堆質疑.
而且勇鷹因為時間極度緊迫,也不可能用F404/F414,根本也來不及.
高教機從開始就沒有打算用F404/F414.
而且下一代戰機的研發,當時也沒啟動,也根本不會撞車,並沒有排擠效應.

你質疑的部分,幾乎沒有一句是對的,相當地無厘頭.

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這些秘密話語來自活著的耶穌,由迪迪摩斯•猶大•多馬記錄。
他說:「任何人發現了這些話的意義,將不會嚐到死亡的滋味。」
多馬福音第1節

Edited by - cwchang2100 on 03/27/2023 00:29:12
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Dr Evil
路人甲乙丙

Taiwan
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Posted - 03/29/2023 :  16:50:06  會員資料  Click to see Dr Evil's MSN Messenger address Send Dr Evil a Private Message  引言回覆
鷹揚計畫裡中科院自研產製的比例....難怪如今有那麼多關鍵技術要攻克

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oneeast00
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Posted - 03/29/2023 :  17:15:19  會員資料 Send oneeast00 a Private Message  引言回覆
沒什麼好奇怪的
IDF F-CK-1 實際就是某種程度的 "TF-16" ...
想要超越F16? /和LM分手?,
自然要乖乖花學費

PS:
倒很好奇 漢翔(後期民營)/航發(早期國營) 到底是算在 9%內 ,還是91%內?

Edited by - oneeast00 on 03/29/2023 17:24:13
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Dr Evil
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Taiwan
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Posted - 03/29/2023 :  18:12:19  會員資料  Click to see Dr Evil's MSN Messenger address Send Dr Evil a Private Message  引言回覆
研發IDF的年代,漢翔是航發中心,是中科院的建制單位
勇鷹自製率是55%,是含國內釋商採購,其餘均向國外買
IDF的自製率不會超過勇鷹

不過剛剛想了一下,該圖釋商的部分,也可能包含國內廠商
已有現成組件,所以中科院無須研製,並無法得知確切比例
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Dr Evil
路人甲乙丙

Taiwan
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Posted - 03/30/2023 :  15:24:09  會員資料  Click to see Dr Evil's MSN Messenger address Send Dr Evil a Private Message  引言回覆
軍機自製,扶植航太業的效益,外購是純消費,自製是消費券

1.勇鷹號的生產過程讓漢翔發掘很多不錯的國內廠家,這些廠家本來只是做工業級的產品,有政府國防經費的支持,這些廠商開始生產勇鷹的高教機的零組件,
對雙方都是正面的回饋,後續他們有很大的機會去敲開國外軍工業者的大門。

2.很多供應商私下向漢翔表示,只要拿到了漢翔的認證,訂單賺不賺錢其實並不是那麼重要,因為一旦拿到認證,就證明自己是航太等級的品質系統,
想從其他的產業客戶賺錢相對會容易許多。

3.很多國際半導體產業設備業者要進到台灣找供應鏈時,先找這些已經有經過軍工或航太業嚴格訓練的業者最快上手。

4.千附的業務涵蓋顯示器設備、半導體設備、國防軍工及航太四大產業,產品平均毛利率約33%;其中,國防軍工雖只貢獻約2成的營收,
但軍工產品的毛利率至少高於平均毛利率10%以上。

5.因為早期從IDF開始,就曾與漢翔在航太軍工業長期合作過,品保與資訊管理系統都讓洛馬很滿意,雙方才有進一步接觸的機會。


https://www.mirrormedia.mg/story/20230328ind002/

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cwchang2100
我是老鳥

Cayman Islands
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Posted - 03/30/2023 :  16:45:29  會員資料  Visit cwchang2100's Homepage Send cwchang2100 a Private Message  引言回覆
quote:
Originally posted by Dr Evil

研發IDF的年代,漢翔是航發中心,是中科院的建制單位
勇鷹自製率是55%,是含國內釋商採購,其餘均向國外買
IDF的自製率不會超過勇鷹

不過剛剛想了一下,該圖釋商的部分,也可能包含國內廠商
已有現成組件,所以中科院無須研製,並無法得知確切比例



IDF或是勇鷹的機身和複材,都是漢翔做的,此部分就不可能只有9%.
所以,9%應該是目前中科院負責的部分.
91%部分,應該有包括漢翔和ITEC,這兩部分的比重就很高了.
向國外買的部分,也要看有沒有ITEC.
怎麼計算比例,其實很微妙.

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這些秘密話語來自活著的耶穌,由迪迪摩斯•猶大•多馬記錄。
他說:「任何人發現了這些話的意義,將不會嚐到死亡的滋味。」
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Dr Evil
路人甲乙丙

Taiwan
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Posted - 04/01/2023 :  14:07:21  會員資料  Click to see Dr Evil's MSN Messenger address Send Dr Evil a Private Message  引言回覆
我想辦法看了這場發表會的書面說明 雖然不完整 但裡面講很多細節很讓我震驚

共軍吹牛 但我軍何嘗不也吹牛或是空有本事卻無從發揮 唉 連牛都出不出來


1987年第一屆航太科技展在松山機場展 那時世貿一館還沒有蓋好 我就去看過了

那時這裡許多五毛跟1450都不曉得在那? 那時科科院就已經展出國產"單晶"葉片

後來自己幹了這一行 也去問過業界就是PW與GE的原廠工程師許多問題


當然了 1987年展示的國產單晶葉片 應該是科科院去買了的第一代單晶葉片的技術

第一代的單晶葉片用在哪裡? 軍用的F100 (F-15/F-16) 民用的 PW-2000/4000上

這個技術在1970年代才剛成熟 大陸的瀋陽616所大概看都沒有看過 何況做出來?

後來1042做出來以後 很弔詭的是竟是1042渦輪核心段沒有一個組件是單晶葉片

原來這個被政治制約的發動機 溫輪進氣溫度只有攝氏1200多度

設計來抵抗攝氏1500度溫輪進氣溫度的單晶葉片英雄無用武之地----直到現在

當然織女星計畫對"單晶葉片"與"耐熱塗層"花了功夫去突破 但成品在哪裡??

不方便講太多 就算做出來了 軍方當然會要買F414 畢竟人家已經是成熟的產品


這些在發表會的人跟我一樣都是航太的同行 有些也是在美國念過書的海歸派

基本上這些專家沒有說做到甚麼程度? 但表示對一些技術指標表示已經攻克

所謂多少推力 如何如何 是小粉紅講的 沒有看到真的圖表數據都不是真的

巴鐵的雜誌把殲-10C的WS-10B最大推力29000lb曝光了 跟美國的F-16一樣

看到殲-10C也在玩落葉飄的特技 不懂對這個飛機的發動機性能有何好懷疑?

瀋陽前幾年已經攻克1900K (1627攝氏度)的單晶葉片希望提升WS-15的效率

悲哀的是當瀋陽同行正研發第三代單晶葉片用在WS-15第一級渦輪進氣定子

龍潭與水楠還有岡山的同行還是拿著1980年代技術在幫高教機造1042的零件

根本對航太產業不了解的黃創夏拿甚麼去笑人家 唉 怎麼不講自己家的悲哀

好歹人家國家肯給自己的專業人員有研發機會 自己國家的專業人員沒有


歐美包含俄羅斯對大陸的航太發動機技術十分堤防 最好笑的是授權生產也沒用

秦嶺這個發動機 雖然是英國授權生產的SPEY但英國人不供零件就是造不出來

1990年代末期 英國報廢一大批F-4發動機 西安後才組裝了足夠發動機給殲轟七

真正有幫忙的其實是烏克蘭 但烏克蘭也是吃老本 更新的技術也是沒有辦法再給

最近十幾年來 雖然離美國還有一大段距離 但也慢慢趕上了 許多技術已經成熟

至少大陸的WS-10系列已經有足夠的可靠度與性能跟F100/F110系列相抗衡了

土耳其第五代戰機原型其實也是拿不到F-119當作發動機而是找來兩具F110替代

即便已經造出飛機的機體 但土耳其人對發動機這一塊無奈也是沒有辦法的

相對解放軍已經有WS-15可以運用來做為測試 其他國家都沒有這樣的機會

唉 一個自己的產業無作為還可以去笑人家 真是丟臉被人家看笑話



https://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=637&t=6764417&p=2

01的軍事論壇是一坨憤青憤老的集散地,我N年一去只為看看有無這位發言
台灣自己是坐在黃金堆上的乞丐,人窮志短,甘於坐困愁城,不思進取也就算了
還要逢共必損,習慣性的懷疑貶抑,緊抓過往經驗,以偏概全的否定,我真的是看飽了

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