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LUMBER
我是老鳥
Taiwan
8485 Posts |
 Posted - 09/16/2009 : 17:54:35
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民主政治的發展其實比較像虔誠的基督/天主教徒要求國王跟貴族不要再因為政治上的理由要她們改信其他教派，後來的種族問題是把理想唱大到無限上綱才出現的.
南北戰爭的奴隸問題也是無限上綱到變成是滛了解決黑人問題的主題.真正的問題還是因為經濟上的歧念才引發戰爭.
二戰喔.....對美國來說最容易的,應該不是跑去南美.因為不容易.而是西特勒不腦殘,不玩種族那套,跟美國一起攜手侵略英倫三島挖她們的金庫解決經濟問題. |
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morningstar
路人甲乙丙
607 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2009 : 18:31:17
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不要說讓國內大多數人吃不飽，只要美國轉去搞直接的殖民壓榨就夠了。事實上如果羅斯福用希特勒那套福利、武裝和侵略去解決大肅條，把美國的產能拿來玩侵略，就足以打下南美和奪取歐洲的海外殖民地。
太保守了
國家社會主義美國和全世界所有國家宣戰仍有五成勝算
Od lo avdah tikvatenu
Hatikvah bat shnot alpayim |
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海軍之子
新手上路
Taiwan
107 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2009 : 09:48:23
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Originally posted by chaos
感謝海軍之子大賞文。
看完之後感覺當時德國在內憂外患之下亟欲找尋一個新的安身立命之道。只要經濟上還撐的下去、大家還有飯吃，整個情況就不致於一發不可收拾。
只是沒想到大善人山姆叔叔自己也躺平了，這時政治極端就不可逆啦。那些盡是背後暗算的共產左翼與搞不懂的猶太人在宣傳下最後還金剛大合體？
這下以色列人是跳到萊茵河也洗不清了。
這不得不讓小弟反思現在的民主政治，這種體制大概也只要大部分人都吃不飽就會垮台吧。要不是德國先爆，美國在大蕭條持續一段時間後搞不好也
會出現極端政治？
還承蒙看的起，現在補貼希特勒當權至開戰前德國社會思想，其他的部份就不貼了，不然會離題太遠，不好意思懶的翻成中文了(雖然是自己寫的)，就拜託大家將就點看吧
至於美國大蕭條會不會引發極端政治，我是絕得不可能，因為美國沒有經歷過威瑪共和國那段物價超級飛漲(很多德國中產階級一生的積蓄在一天之內就一文不值了)，也沒有經歷過凡爾賽條約和魯爾危機的喪權辱國，更沒有在DC跟共產叛亂份子打起內戰或目睹躲避共產革命之東歐/俄國難民潮，缺乏類似這些極端的集體回憶，是滿難走向極端的，說到這，三民主義說起來也有些部份與國家社會主義有點類似，除了反共產反猶太的部份以外
The Fruit: The Thousand-Year Reich
The 1930s put a final touch on the ideologies that have been long advocated by different conservative groups, and additionally shaped the mindset of those who received their primary and secondary education during this time period. The fact Germany was a collective society made the Nazi social values easier to gain acceptance among average Germans. As soon as Hitler became the chancellor, he issued his proclamation aimed to please millions of Germans who were unhappy with the parliamentary system and the chaotic political atmosphere. Hitler also gained support from the military and industrial leaders with his long-term plans for the “[d]estruction of the parliamentary system, suppression of the left, creation of a national dictatorship, rearmament, reversal of the Versailles Treaty, and preparation for war, should that become necessary to meet Germany’s supposedly legitimate need for more territory."Although Hitler attempted to achieve an overwhelmingly popular support to consolidate the foundation of his regime, the Nazi Party only scored 43.9 percent of the votes in a “not-so-free-election” in March 1933.
Even among the people who supported the NSDAP at the time, some may not truly grasp the ideologies it stood by. Many people felt encouraged by the party event mainly on an emotional basis as one woman from Northeim remembered she and many others were “drawn by the feeling of strength about the party, even though there was much in it which was highly questionable.” Hitler’s success was based on his vague promises to create a reality that was opposite the humiliation brought on since November, 1918. . After all the frustration with the then failing Weimar democratic system, the German people were longing for a fundamental change of the situation they were in, even if that means an authoritarian dictatorship. Three years after appointed to chancellor, by persecuting the German Communist Party, and with the help of the Catholic Center Party, Hitler obtained his dictatorship by quasi-legal means.
The National Socialist Party gained popular support by emphasizing the creation of a unified community of German people, or Volksgemeinschaft. Psychologically, people in general “want desperately to be liked, loved and in control of [their] lives.” People from a collective culture found happiness within “close, friendly, and respectful social engagement” comparatively more so than those coming from an individualist culture. This psychological factor made the concept of Volksgemeinschaft even more attractive to German society as a collective. The NSDAP also successfully created a self-image that they would lead the German people to bring those glorious days of August 1914 back to Germany. The German public believed that the national unity would strengthen the Fatherland in the “international arena.”Therefore, the strength brought by Volksgemeinschaft can help to achieve the common goals shared by German public in reversing the Versailles Treaty, and restoring the borders of 1914. Hitler’s decision to withdraw from the League of Nations and his reconstruction of the German armed forces were perceived as an act of self-respect by the German people, and thus received strong public support. The British and French governments’ submission in German rearmament and territorial expansion from 1935 to early 1939 boosted the national pride, and reinforced the public confidence in the Hitler regime and Volksgemeinschaft.
Ideologically and politically, the NSDAP inherited the long-standing concepts of anti-Semitism, anti-Communism and German Supremacy from the right-wing conservatives, and deemed to turn those ideologies into reality. The Reichstag fire on 27 February, 1933 provided an excuse for the Nazi to create a police state. The Hitler regime proclaimed the fire was a signal for another communist revolution and issued “The Reichstag Fire Decree” to suspend certain civil rights. Thus, the National Socialist government was able to use the police forces to suppress the left-wing parties as well as any other political opposition legally. This suppression additionally demonstrates the vague fear of communism among the German people based on their collective memories of the communist revolution. Aside from the political suppression of communism, the NSDAP carried out the ideological tenets of anti-Semitism. Government policies to persecute the Jews were carefully implemented to avoid international criticism and sudden disruption of the economy. However, anti-Semitism was not enough of a reason to explain the reason German people supported the NSDAP since other right-wing parties as well as Christian churches shared similar ideologies. Hitler slowly worked his way to gain public support by using the German resentments towards to the incompetence of the Weimar Republic. As historian Thomas Childers concluded, the German support in National Socialism was based on “dissatisfaction, resentment, and fear” of the reality they live in since the end of the Great War. As the Second World War broke out in 1939, the German people went to war with the similar mentality that they have held for decades: To redeem the Fatherland from the defeat and humility of the Great War.
"The world is a dangerous place not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." -Albert Einstein
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a8725422mark
剛剛入門
23 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2010 : 20:23:56
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希特勒在1934∼1939是偉人，1940∼1942是狂人，1943∼1945是瘋子！
至於國府與德國交好，在於當時國府需要整編軍隊以及整頓軍備而德國急需原物料，兩個手上沒太多現金的國家便以物易物的方式互通有無，再說了德國相較於英、美、日等國與中國的利害關係不是那麼密切，自然那時的國府要員會對感覺德國的友好！ |
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zxm1984
路人甲乙丙
1332 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2010 : 23:17:31
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| 从纳粹德国世界战略的角度来看，最好是中日停战，在中国建立一个统一的听命于德国的法西斯政权，以日本为首辅以中国丰富的资源和人力，打着黄种民族解放国家独立的旗号搞一个亚洲法西斯分坛，一票大小法西斯国家共同在德国的指挥下北进苏联，南下东南亚，印度，配合德国在欧洲和北非的行动，这样法西斯阵营将可利于不败之地。 |
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catman
路人甲乙丙
1794 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2010 : 04:04:02
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容許我問一個笨問題:老希/納粹黨做錯了什麼事?屠殺猶太人?不是有一句叫"非我族類其心必異"嗎!種族屠殺在歷史上從沒停止啊.侵略他國?世上有那一國家不曾侵略他國?基於"別人有做過,自已為何不能做"的原則,老希不是非常正常嗎?連成吉思汗也能當國家/民族英雄,為啥老希就不能?說到底還是成王敗寇嗎?
我可沒影射X國啊! |
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LUMBER
我是老鳥
Taiwan
8485 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2010 : 06:29:54
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Originally posted by catman
"別人有做過,自已為何不能做"
這句話幾年前的總統和總統夫人也說過......不滛什麼,當大家改變遊戲規則,而且都在遵守時,還把這套拿出來講,不管發生什麼事,那就是活該. |
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dasha
版主
41566 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2010 : 07:40:55
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1.納粹的屠殺是工廠生產線化的.
2.1815年以後歐洲內部原則上就是維持均勢,不能隨便搞侵略.
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台北縣板橋市大觀路一二樓公寓,接近國小至大學各級學校及公車總站,離捷運及板橋車站不遠.
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閒遊之人
我是老鳥
6799 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2010 : 19:42:17
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別處聽來的
二戰甚至戰前德國就已經有糧食危機?
加上戰爭需要
糧食更加不足?
加上美國經濟大瀟條
導致貿易手段也完蛋?
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gx9900gundam
新手上路
211 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2010 : 23:19:49
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Originally posted by catman
容許我問一個笨問題:老希/納粹黨做錯了什麼事?屠殺猶太人?不是有一句叫"非我族類其心必異"嗎!種族屠殺在歷史上從沒停止啊.侵略他國?世上有那一國家不曾侵略他國?基於"別人有做過,自已為何不能做"的原則,老希不是非常正常嗎?連成吉思汗也能當國家/民族英雄,為啥老希就不能?說到底還是成王敗寇嗎?
我可沒影射X國啊!
又是憤青的笑話還是看得鋼彈太多?
當然對於認為全人類在一星期內被幹掉一半，只為了一小群人的理想的，只要說是為了自己理念而做的人，試試真的隨便宰個人來看看會有什麼後果?
希特勒那個破記錄的殺戮，本是為殺而殺的。
而且現在沒有很多人認為成吉思汗所做的是對的，現代人不可能像古代的人常以為異族是怪物或外星人般，以為自己打的戰爭就是為了保衛全人類的光明和黑暗之最後決戰，而且還有很多人批判古人的做法。 |
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軸心三國的戰前戰後史－－－第二章：德意志
