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小毛
我是老鳥
Taiwan
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 Posted - 03/25/2026 : 18:22:31
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未來會是趨勢嗎? 混和動力電推? 低速時柴油機發電，驅動電動馬達。高速時更大的柴油機或是渦輪機加入發電，驅動更大顆的電動馬達...說不定可以省去複雜的齒輪組並聯機械動力設計....
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小毛
我是老鳥
Taiwan
12035 Posts |
Posted - 03/26/2026 : 11:48:22
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以前一直覺得大型船艦甲板以上差個幾十噸不會有啥影響......加拿大給個範例
https://www.armyrecognition.com/news/navy-news/2026/canada-reveals-updated-river-class-destroyer-design-with-major-combat-system-changes
Canada reveals updated River-class destroyer design with major combat system changes.
The most significant configuration changes, well under 1% of total displacement, concern the weapon system layout, where the 30–35 tonnes Leonardo 127/64 gun (including mount and below-deck systems) has been replaced by the 22–24 tonnes Mk 45 5-inch gun, reducing weight by 8 to 12 tonnes and aligning with systems already installed on other Type 26 variants, while the removal of the ExLS launcher (15–30+ tonnes for a full installation) eliminates the planned Sea Ceptor missile capability and simplifies the missile architecture to a single set of 24 Mk41 vertical launch cells arranged in three eight-cell modules (for a total weight of 75 to 90 tonnes) capable of accommodating ESSM Block II, SM-2, or Tomahawk missiles, with reserved space for an additional eight-cell module in the future, indicating a design choice that limits missile density in favor of cost, integration simplicity, and emphasis on anti-submarine operations.
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teamgod311
路人甲乙丙
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Posted - 03/26/2026 : 12:12:13
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Originally posted by 小毛
以前一直覺得大型船艦甲板以上差個幾十噸不會有啥影響......加拿大給個範例
https://www.armyrecognition.com/news/navy-news/2026/canada-reveals-updated-river-class-destroyer-design-with-major-combat-system-changes
Canada reveals updated River-class destroyer design with major combat system changes.
The most significant configuration changes, well under 1% of total displacement, concern the weapon system layout, where the 30–35 tonnes Leonardo 127/64 gun (including mount and below-deck systems) has been replaced by the 22–24 tonnes Mk 45 5-inch gun, reducing weight by 8 to 12 tonnes and aligning with systems already installed on other Type 26 variants, while the removal of the ExLS launcher (15–30+ tonnes for a full installation) eliminates the planned Sea Ceptor missile capability and simplifies the missile architecture to a single set of 24 Mk41 vertical launch cells arranged in three eight-cell modules (for a total weight of 75 to 90 tonnes) capable of accommodating ESSM Block II, SM-2, or Tomahawk missiles, with reserved space for an additional eight-cell module in the future, indicating a design choice that limits missile density in favor of cost, integration simplicity, and emphasis on anti-submarine operations.
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如果連這艘7800-8080噸的船都只能折衷24單元垂發，那當年震海案卡死4530噸要4面盾+32單元是在哈搂?
當初就在猜海軍打死不要國造戰鬥系統，搞死震海後卻沒備案，果然時間間接驗證。
蜀中無大將廖化當先鋒，青蟳硬著頭皮幹，剛好那時灰色地帶作戰很蚌，青蟳剛好上位，
什麼4530/4面固定盾/艦體聲納/直升機庫/32單元垂發都可以放棄堅持...
犧牲這麼多青蟳還是延後...雖然是美方製造業衰退+疫情的鍋。
但當時海軍有聽美方建議，把4530改為雙面旋轉盾，或是放大5500噸以上維持4面盾+但改24單元垂發(品字排列)，
中華民國海軍的下代震海巡防艦首艦早就服役，甚至量產艦也開始開工，
只能說海軍短視近利+共諜/中共同路人?白白虛度光陰，沒有發揮專業淪為內鬥打手。
現在連青蟳都卡住，而拉法葉垂發要看今年是否順利，希望海軍不要放水踐踏專業，
拉法葉傳言事先成軍後補測，希望是假消息，反正今年實彈演練，是牛是馬就知道。 |
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yangly3
我是老鳥
10251 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2026 : 09:57:31
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因为大家拿水师的定位，就是给美帝打下手。
虽然是7、8000吨的大舰，也只是二线的打杂舰。吨位辣麽大，其实更多的是得跟在美帝屁股后面满世界转的需要
但震海舰不同，她的定位是一级主力舰，虽然持续力、适航性的要求可以适当放宽，但是战力要求绝对是只高不低
所以，震海舰是属于先天不足，如果放在和平年代或许还有经济性与平台通用性的可取。但是，在2018年以后台军建设转以备战2027为首要以后，震海舰比上不足比下有余的缺陷已经是は法接受的咯。
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ARTHUR
路人甲乙丙
903 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2026 : 13:02:13
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加拿大那個我覺得是預算不夠居多耶，TYPE26一脈的三個海軍建案
都是用最牛步的速度規劃與建造，然後預算一直超標，採購量一直減，加拿大人不想減少數量那就減少武裝....嗎?
(我看最上級到時候八成也是日本建造版本一年一艘，澳洲本地版五年一艘的速度)
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小毛
我是老鳥
Taiwan
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dasha
版主
42529 Posts |
Posted - 03/28/2026 : 08:06:41
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商船在20世紀末就是搞電動了,最大優點是節省人事費,下艙間人數可以直接少掉一個位數,而且是那種只剩3~5%之類的省人法,軍艦還不這樣搞主要是受損的備用考量.
加拿大/美國/熱帶國家的軍艦穩定性考量有一點差很多:加拿大是以"甲板以上平均積冰1公尺"在算,美國是"1英呎",熱帶是"你說甚積冰?"要注意到1立方公尺的水重1噸,冰雖然輕一點,但1噸也不到2立方公尺,三四千噸的船積冰1公尺是可以四捨五入到千噸的......
然後發射器數量其實是看你估計戰區需要耗多少飛彈,也就是預算,現在有些飛彈能1坑2~4彈,加拿大採購沒有國際政治問題,台灣有,那更是不能以發射器數量做準. |
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