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Over-collection refers to the tax revenue received exceeding the budgeted estimate. It does not directly indicate a budget surplus or an excess of funds in the national treasury. Over-collection is just a part of government income and does not account for expenditures. A surplus arises when total revenue exceeds total expenditure. The term over-collection is legally linked to the surplus after expenditures. If borrowing, such as through the issuance of public bonds, is included in the revenue, it must be deducted to determine the true surplus. The annual revenue and expenditure (surplus or deficit) and the accumulated government debt are key indicators. Despite possible over-collection, deficits have been common in recent years, indicating financial challenges. The government is essentially in a deficit position, with accumulated debt on the rise. Ideally, over-collection should be used to repay debt rather than suggesting wealth. It is governed by the Public Debt Act and the Budget Act. The revenue from over-collection can first be used to reduce borrowing and then to repay public debt. The use of over-collected funds requires approval from the Legislative Yuan. Expenditures require a special budget and a bill. Over-collected tax revenue does not automatically equate to wealth or surplus. A comprehensive analysis of revenue and debt is crucial for understanding the government's fiscal health. The future use of over-collected funds should prioritize debt repayment to avoid burdening future generations with economic liabilities.

Over-collection refers to the tax revenue exceeding the budgeted estimate. It is merely a portion of government income and does not directly equate to a budget surplus or an excess of funds. Over-collection does not account for expenditures, hence it cannot be used solely to assess the government's fiscal health. A surplus arises when the government's total revenue surpasses its total expenditure. Over-collection is just one component of the total revenue, and to determine the true surplus, other income and expenditure factors must be considered. If borrowing, such as through public bonds, is included in the revenue, it must be deducted from the total income to ascertain the actual surplus. Despite possible over-collection, the government has frequently incurred deficits in recent years, indicating financial challenges. The government is typically in a deficit position, with accumulating debt. Ideally, over-collected funds should be utilized to repay debt and alleviate future fiscal burdens. The use of over-collected funds is governed by the Public Debt Act and the Budget Act. These funds can first be applied to reduce borrowing and then to repay public debt. The utilization of over-collected funds requires approval from the Legislative Yuan, and expenditures necessitate a special budget and bill. A comprehensive analysis of revenue and debt is imperative for comprehending the government's fiscal situation. Solely focusing on over-collection is insufficient; other fiscal indicators and factors must be considered. In the future, the use of over-collected funds should prioritize debt repayment to prevent burdening future generations with economic liabilities. This embodies the principles of sustainable fiscal policy and intergenerational equity.

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