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That's almost vertical launch(I think it's 87 degree) for the sounding rocket launch. But when you put the missile at 45 or 60 degree launch to get range, speed will be higher from the first stage(not fighting gravity), altitude will be lower(to get max range), and the second stage rocket booster as the main power source will still put the missile into supersonic speed range.

And I don't remember any land attack missiles, either air launch or ground launch uses solid rocket stage as its main power. Booster stage, yes, all the other solid rocket missiles are ICBM/SLBM or SAM......


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Replied on: 09/17/2010 17:22:19
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Replied on: 09/17/2010 22:59:36
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Replied on: 09/17/2010 23:02:02
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Replied on: 09/17/2010 23:59:44
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Replied on: 09/18/2010 10:12:10
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Replied on: 09/18/2010 11:39:21
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Reply author: BlueWhaleMoon
Replied on: 09/19/2010 04:59:30
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Reply author: sscorp
Replied on: 09/19/2010 22:32:55
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quote:
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Replied on: 09/19/2010 22:47:38
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Reply author: Snap
Replied on: 09/20/2010 09:38:28
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quote:
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Replied on: 09/20/2010 09:44:49
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Replied on: 09/20/2010 10:53:11
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Reply author: toga
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Reply author: rockitten
Replied on: 10/11/2010 15:32:22
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Reply author: rockitten
Replied on: 10/11/2010 15:34:13
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Replied on: 10/11/2010 16:13:01
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Reply author: SleeplessPrometheus
Replied on: 10/11/2010 18:13:43
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Reply author: rockitten
Replied on: 10/11/2010 18:18:37
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if it is already operated by US personal, it is more likely to be Taiwanese just buy the photos/information.......
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And unless it is operated by Taiwanese, Taiwan can not control what sort of information that global hawk is collecting. But, that is the biggest reason why US may not selling that to taiwan.....

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Reply author: HOTARU
Replied on: 10/12/2010 03:25:19
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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 10/12/2010 05:19:41
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I would rather ROCAF requesting Aerosat radar blimps, then put a LOROP camera that will give the blimp a 60-80 miles visual monitoring range, plus the radar that will give Taiwan 24/7 warning of PLA aircraft, and it will also detect low flying cruise missiles. Add a real time video feed and datalink with SATCOM, and put those blimps on Kinman, Matsu and other offshore islands, and you got the whole PRC's Southeast coastal area covered.

And, if those blimps got taken out by PLA, then you know the war has started.....


Reply author: dasha
Replied on: 10/12/2010 10:44:31
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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 10/12/2010 13:03:03
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But PLA most likely won't attack during winter either.....


Reply author: rockitten
Replied on: 10/12/2010 13:43:52
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quote:
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But PLA most likely won't attack during winter either.....


but the ELINT requirement won't decrease on winter.................
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And that is why even a "made in Taiwan" UAV cannot compare with the global hawk because taiwan cannot produce most of the "sensitive equipments" anyway........

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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 10/12/2010 15:03:34
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ROCAF still got that lone C-130HE that can pull a pretty good imitation of regular C-130H resupply runs to Kinman and Matus islands.......


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Replied on: 10/13/2010 09:18:30
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Replied on: 10/13/2010 14:31:58
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Replied on: 10/13/2010 15:07:42
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Replied on: 10/19/2010 16:45:27
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2.just wonder if we can take this opportunity to "upgrade" the flight control of F-16A/B to digital as well
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Reply author: pcgamer
Replied on: 10/19/2010 17:42:15
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Reply author: rockitten
Replied on: 10/19/2010 19:00:28
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Holland have their own assembly line for the F-16, and that 4 nations do keep upgrading their planes during their operating life.......
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Reply author: Steve Su
Replied on: 10/19/2010 23:00:27
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Reply author: toga
Replied on: 10/20/2010 09:04:18
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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 10/20/2010 09:08:21
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Besides, with Block 20 is really a mixed---Block 40/50 parts, and not that many retired Block 40/50 or 42/52 in AZ boneyard to draw parts from for USAF itself already, ROCAF Block 20 parts is only depending on new parts, and can't count on retired birds.... Second problem is that supposed to be AGP-66(V)3 in name only but might be one of kind downgraded AGP-68(V) that nobody knows how to fix or get new parts from....


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Replied on: 10/20/2010 12:32:52
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Replied on: 11/02/2010 13:47:50
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Replied on: 11/04/2010 13:15:26
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Replied on: 11/04/2010 14:09:31
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Replied on: 11/04/2010 14:11:11
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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 11/04/2010 14:29:11
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Don't understand why bother comparing turbojet engine with turbofan engines.... Different era, different needs, different results.....


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Reply author: Dr Evil
Replied on: 11/04/2010 14:55:54
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Replied on: 11/04/2010 16:46:27
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Replied on: 11/04/2010 16:53:14
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Replied on: 11/04/2010 16:57:10
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Replied on: 11/04/2010 17:04:38
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Replied on: 11/04/2010 20:18:09
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Reply author: Reinherd Von Hwang´£·þ
Replied on: 11/04/2010 23:07:50
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Replied on: 11/05/2010 01:10:25
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Replied on: 11/05/2010 08:36:19
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Replied on: 11/21/2010 13:01:06
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Replied on: 11/21/2010 15:55:37
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Reply author: Steve Su
Replied on: 11/22/2010 02:27:01
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Replied on: 11/22/2010 09:08:29
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Reply author: dasha
Replied on: 11/22/2010 09:34:17
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quote:
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Reply author: Luke-Skywalker
Replied on: 11/22/2010 09:34:41
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Reply author: Steve Su
Replied on: 11/23/2010 05:12:44
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Reply author: BlueWhaleMoon
Replied on: 11/23/2010 08:21:16
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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 11/23/2010 08:47:45
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http://tw.nextmedia.com/applenews/article/art_id/32982460/IssueID/20101123
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Reply author: dasha
Replied on: 11/23/2010 08:49:21
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Reply author: rockitten
Replied on: 11/23/2010 15:05:32
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quote:
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well, actually French weapons have similar reputation on those "°â«áªA°È" as well.......
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if taiwanese AF really selected Alenia Aermacchi M-346, we will see

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Reply author: ¤p¤ò
Replied on: 11/23/2010 16:38:58
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M346¤£¬O¸q¤j§Q³f?¬Oªk°ê³f¶Ü?


Reply author: rockitten
Replied on: 11/23/2010 16:47:18
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quote:
Originally posted by ¤p¤ò

M346¤£¬O¸q¤j§Q³f?¬Oªk°ê³f¶Ü?


M346 is a joint project of Italian and Russian, both of them have a lousy reputation on product quality, corruption and reliability......

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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 11/23/2010 17:12:44
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But M346 is using AIDC/Honeywell's F-124 engine....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeywell/ITEC_F124


Reply author: Steve Su
Replied on: 11/24/2010 00:46:25
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Reply author: BlueWhaleMoon
Replied on: 11/24/2010 02:38:51
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quote:
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Reply author: Steve Su
Replied on: 11/24/2010 03:02:39
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Reply author: BlueWhaleMoon
Replied on: 11/24/2010 03:48:12
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Reply author: dasha
Replied on: 11/24/2010 08:21:43
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Reply author: toga
Replied on: 11/24/2010 09:52:45
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Replied on: 11/24/2010 14:49:53
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But RBS-70 needs much higher level of training, either as anti-helicopter or anti-armor, needs a real steady arm/aim, due to the laser targeting/guiding that needs to aim/guide all the way until the missile hit the target, where all the other IR seeker MANPADS are all fire and forget.

RBS-70's mod 0 and mod 1 only has top speed of Mach 1.6. Only the later Mod 2 has Mach 2 speed. So there's some doubt its ability, at least the RBS-70 mod 0 and 1, to be used as anti-aircraft weapon due to its lack of speed. Stinger has speed of Mach 2.2, and SA-18/9K38 Igla has speed of Mach 2.3....

About using RBS-70 as anti-armor weapon, its warhead only has size of 1.1kg, where Javelin's warhead is 8.4kg.....


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well, some medium/small navies such as New Zealand, Canada and Australian Navies do not have their own navy, but using army and their helicopters for amphibious warfare instead. That is more because of their "defense force" structure ruled out the existence or a navy owned marine.

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Replied on: 12/05/2010 23:47:56
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Replied on: 12/06/2010 02:06:50
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Reply author: hwp2003
Replied on: 12/06/2010 05:52:20
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http://udn.com/NEWS/NATIONAL/BREAKINGNEWS1/6015814.shtml³°­x¡uªø³Ó¤Q¤T¸¹¡vºt²ß¤µ®i¶}

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Reply author: hwp2003
Replied on: 12/06/2010 06:07:46
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http://tw.nextmedia.com/applenews/article/art_id/33015205/IssueID/20101206¨ú®ø­¸¼u®g°V ¡uµL¼u¥i¥Î¡v


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Replied on: 12/06/2010 10:37:48
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Reply author: accolade
Replied on: 12/06/2010 12:41:53
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quote:
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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 12/06/2010 13:15:27
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It's Apple Daily, they tend to make things looks worse than it is.

The less than 120 AIM-120C-5 are just about 8 years old, the much newer 218 AIM-120C-7 are only 1-2 years old. And AIM-120 AMRAAMs are know to be abused proof, ie. its carriage by fighter lifespan is X times longer than other BVRAAMs.

TC-2 might be ranging from 4-10 year sold, plus the new batch(es) CSIST are known producing since earlier this year.

So for those 2 types of missiles, there should be enough to go around without any problems. And I'm surprise they didn't mention the 4th type BVRAAM in ROCAF inventory---- the original 600 AIM-7M that came with the F-16A/B Block 20 contract...


Reply author: dasha
Replied on: 12/06/2010 15:26:20
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Replied on: 12/06/2010 17:57:38
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Reply author: Steve Su
Replied on: 12/07/2010 00:09:37
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Replied on: 12/07/2010 10:50:17
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Replied on: 12/07/2010 10:58:13
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Reply author: pcgamer
Replied on: 12/07/2010 11:05:50
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quote:
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Reply author: ·V¡D¤¤³¥
Replied on: 12/07/2010 11:11:41
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Reply author: HOTARU
Replied on: 12/07/2010 11:34:03
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Reply author: Dr Evil
Replied on: 12/07/2010 11:45:04
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Reply author: pcgamer
Replied on: 12/07/2010 12:42:51
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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 12/07/2010 14:17:46
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Might have to wait for turbo/boost version of the USAF/Israeli short range laser defense system against incoming rockets/mortar that can also act as airbase unexploded bombs disposal....


Reply author: SleeplessPrometheus
Replied on: 12/07/2010 14:45:18
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Reply author: SleeplessPrometheus
Replied on: 12/07/2010 15:13:08
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Replied on: 12/08/2010 15:46:09
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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 12/08/2010 15:47:31
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Take this news with gram of salt....

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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 12/08/2010 15:48:45
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HF-2E and HF-3 will go into full serial production next year. Currently they are in low volume production...

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Reply author: SleeplessPrometheus
Replied on: 12/08/2010 21:51:48
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Reply author: ASMP
Replied on: 12/08/2010 22:36:22
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Reply author: SleeplessPrometheus
Replied on: 12/08/2010 23:34:56
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Reply author: Steve Su
Replied on: 12/09/2010 00:38:48
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Replied on: 12/09/2010 02:19:28
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Replied on: 12/09/2010 08:39:32
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Replied on: 12/09/2010 12:01:08
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Replied on: 12/09/2010 13:59:25
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Replied on: 12/09/2010 14:33:45
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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 12/09/2010 14:40:08
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Reply author: SleeplessPrometheus
Replied on: 12/09/2010 15:32:20
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Reply author: Steve Su
Replied on: 12/09/2010 20:21:54
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Replied on: 12/10/2010 07:30:32
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Replied on: 12/10/2010 07:36:05
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Replied on: 12/15/2010 14:41:17
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well, if those "job" are being outsourced, then those contracted for security cannot be used for cleaning, those contracted for cooking cannot be used for mowing.......

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Replied on: 12/27/2010 15:56:42
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Replied on: 12/27/2010 19:02:59
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Âà¸ü¤@¤U·s»D. ¤£ª¾¹D·|ÁʶR­þ¤@«¬ªº¾Ô¨®¨Ó´À¥NM48?

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Reply author: rockitten
Replied on: 12/27/2010 19:50:37
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well, it they can by-pass the export ban, I will recommend Japanese Type-10, if not, M-1A2/M-1A1HA but definitely not french tank please.....

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Replied on: 12/27/2010 19:52:04
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Reply author: hcwu
Replied on: 12/27/2010 19:52:07
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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 12/27/2010 19:52:32
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Should be M1A1(120mm gun) or M1(105mm gun), then upgrade to M1A2---since all M1A2 are upgrade from M1 or M1A1, no new M1A2 were produced.


Reply author: ghostwolf
Replied on: 12/27/2010 19:57:46
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Replied on: 12/27/2010 20:58:19
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Reply author: olddog
Replied on: 12/27/2010 21:01:30
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Replied on: 12/27/2010 21:37:47
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Replied on: 12/27/2010 21:59:54
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Reply author: sfsm
Replied on: 12/27/2010 22:17:03
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Reply author: sfsm
Replied on: 12/27/2010 22:18:11
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Replied on: 12/27/2010 23:10:47
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Replied on: 12/27/2010 23:20:32
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Replied on: 12/28/2010 00:05:00
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Replied on: 12/28/2010 08:44:02
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Replied on: 12/28/2010 11:16:22
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Replied on: 12/28/2010 12:01:07
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Replied on: 12/28/2010 13:48:53
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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 12/28/2010 13:58:50
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2 new contracts for Taiwan....
Personal observation: Taiwan either getting MLRS launchers with ATACMS as main payload, or ATACMS is the only weapon for sale now----with LT-2000 modified to carry it.....

http://www.defense.gov/contracts/contract.aspx?contractid=4436

Lockheed Martin Corp., Grand Prairie, Texas, was awarded on Dec. 20 a $916,165,020 firm-fixed-price, with some cost-plus-fixed-fee contract line item numbers, contract. This award will provide 226 tactical missiles; 24 launcher mod kits; ground support equipment; contractor field support; and initial spares in Foreign Military Sales to United Arab Emirates, and Taiwan. Work will be performed in Grand Prairie, Texas; Lufkin, Texas; Ocala, Fla.; Camden, Ark.; and Chelmsford, Mass., with an estimated completion date of Nov. 30, 2013. One bid was solicited with one bid received. The U.S. Army Contracting Command, AMCOM, Redstone Arsenal, Ala., is the contracting activity (W31P4Q-11-C-0001).

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BAE Systems Information and Electronic Systems, Inc., Greenlawn, N.Y., is being awarded a $25,472,769 modification to a previously awarded firm-fixed-priced contract (N00019-08-C-0061) to exercise an option for the procurement and integration of various CXP identification friend or foe hardware for the Navy, Army, and Air Force; and the governments of Canada, Taiwan, and Saudi Arabia. Hardware being procured includes common digital transponders, mounts, receivers and transmitters, signal processors, power supplies, battery packs, and Mode 5 modification kits. Work will be performed in Greenlawn, N.Y., and is expected to be completed in August 2013. Contract funds in the amount of $486,506 will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This contract combines purchases for the Army ($17,209,826; 67.6 percent), Navy ($6,119,022; 24 percent), and Air Force ($202,220; 0.8 percent); and the governments of Taiwan ($999,211; 3.9 percent), Canada ($578,098; 2.3 percent), and Saudi Arabia ($364,392; 1.4 percent), under the Foreign Military Sales program. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Md., is the contracting activity.


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Replied on: 12/28/2010 14:12:28
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Replied on: 12/28/2010 14:44:28
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Replied on: 12/28/2010 16:21:03
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2 new contracts for Taiwan....
Personal observation: Taiwan either getting MLRS launchers with ATACMS as main payload, or ATACMS is the only weapon for sale now----with LT-2000 modified to carry it.....


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Replied on: 12/28/2010 17:42:54
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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 12/28/2010 17:59:19
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It did stated 24 launchers, which most likely to be MLRs....


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Replied on: 12/28/2010 18:10:55
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Replied on: 12/28/2010 19:41:19
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Replied on: 12/29/2010 05:50:54
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Replied on: 12/30/2010 13:18:24
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Reply author: pcgamer
Replied on: 12/30/2010 13:43:32
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Reply author: dasha
Replied on: 12/30/2010 13:47:37
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Reply author: LUMBER
Replied on: 12/30/2010 14:24:24
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Reply author: Forwell
Replied on: 12/31/2010 11:54:22
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Reply author: Reinherd Von Hwang´£·þ
Replied on: 01/01/2011 05:01:13
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Reply author: sscorp
Replied on: 01/01/2011 11:32:47
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http://news.chinatimes.com/politics/50205443/112011010100287.html

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Reply author: LUMBER
Replied on: 01/01/2011 11:51:21
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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 01/01/2011 13:42:23
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Somebody forgot to add another zero...

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Lockheed Martin Corp., Grand Prairie, Texas, was awarded on Dec. 20 a $916,165,020 firm-fixed-price, with some cost-plus-fixed-fee contract line item numbers, contract. This award will provide 226 tactical missiles; 24 launcher mod kits; ground support equipment; contractor field support; and initial spares in Foreign Military Sales to United Arab Emirates, and Taiwan. Work will be performed in Grand Prairie, Texas; Lufkin, Texas; Ocala, Fla.; Camden, Ark.; and Chelmsford, Mass., with an estimated completion date of Nov. 30, 2013. One bid was solicited with one bid received. The U.S. Army Contracting Command, AMCOM, Redstone Arsenal, Ala., is the contracting activity (W31P4Q-11-C-0001).

New contract for ROCAF E-2C....

http://www.defense.gov/contracts/contract.aspx?contractid=4440
Northrop Grumman Systems Corp., Bethpage, N.Y., is being awarded a $6,582,920 modification to a delivery order placed against a previously issued basic ordering agreement (N00421-05-G-0001) to exercise an option for engineering, technical and sustaining services in support of Taiwan Air Force E-2C aircraft under the Foreign Military Sales program. Work will be performed in Bethpage, N.Y. (75 percent), and at the Pingtung Air Force Base, Taiwan (25 percent), and is expected to be completed in December 2011. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The Naval Air Warfare Center Aircraft Division, Patuxent River, Md., is the contracting activity.


Reply author: SleeplessPrometheus
Replied on: 01/01/2011 13:55:52
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quote:
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Reply author: ian125
Replied on: 01/01/2011 20:28:27
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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 01/01/2011 20:48:17
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No, it's 10 years too late in term of reporting. MLRS/ATACMS were offered to Taiwan back in 2000, in exchange for delay/stop on going HF-2E, HF-3, and SRBM/IRBM programs, with side effect of wiping out LT-2000 program too.

Now, it's 10 years later. HF-2E going into full production, as well as HF-3. SRBM/IRBM still rumors, and LT-2000 still not yet in service.....


Reply author: sscorp
Replied on: 01/01/2011 20:53:01
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Replied on: 01/01/2011 22:05:30
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Reply author: ASMP
Replied on: 01/01/2011 23:02:17
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Replied on: 01/01/2011 23:21:27
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Reply author: rockitten
Replied on: 01/01/2011 23:31:24
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http://news.chinatimes.com/politics/0,5244,50205443x112011010100287,00.html
"±N³Ð¤U¬ü°ê¹ï¥x¥X°â§ðÀ»©ÊªZ¾¹ªº¥ý¨Ò¡C"......Well, for some nations like Singapore, ATACMS may be an "offensive weapon". But for taiwan, the 140km range can only barely reach chi na if it is fired from the closest point.............. it is not really that "offensive" at all

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Reply author: Reinherd Von Hwang´£·þ
Replied on: 01/02/2011 00:35:56
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quote:
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http://news.chinatimes.com/politics/0,5244,50205443x112011010100287,00.html
"±N³Ð¤U¬ü°ê¹ï¥x¥X°â§ðÀ»©ÊªZ¾¹ªº¥ý¨Ò¡C"......Well, for some nations like Singapore, ATACMS may be an "offensive weapon". But for taiwan, the 140km range can only barely reach chi na if it is fired from the closest point.............. it is not really that "offensive" at all

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Reply author: ghostwolf
Replied on: 01/02/2011 01:15:23
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATACMS
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Reply author: ghostwolf
Replied on: 01/02/2011 01:23:39
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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 01/02/2011 06:09:15
Message:

DSCA is the one that needs US Congress approval(or not object to the sale). The defenselink is the one that's actual contract awarding.


Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 01/02/2011 09:17:52
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Replied on: 01/02/2011 10:58:50
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Replied on: 01/02/2011 16:06:59
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"±N³Ð¤U¬ü°ê¹ï¥x¥X°â§ðÀ»©ÊªZ¾¹ªº¥ý¨Ò¡C"......Well, for some nations like Singapore, ATACMS may be an "offensive weapon". But for taiwan, the 140km range can only barely reach chi na if it is fired from the closest point.............. it is not really that "offensive" at all

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