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yangly3
我是老鳥
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 Posted - 03/06/2020 : 02:33:34
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Originally posted by judah1970
这个我不知道说了多少次……你们的蔡统苏揆陈部不是重视防疫啦，是重视反中啦。从坚持武汉肺炎的时候人家就说得很清楚了：这样更清楚自己要对付的是什么。
重视反共一点儿问题没有，而且以后更应总结此次经验进一步加强防共脱共反共。
从台湾本次防疫经验结合各国的医学研究报告，此次的武汉肺炎病毒既不狡猾也不强大。从重症率与传染性来看，高于流感但低于SARS,完全可防可控。
而此次疫情传播之广泛，后果之恶劣，完全是由于中共自己的隐瞒与�荅鄐@手造成的 --- 中共不仅传播病毒，中共本身就是病毒
幸亏这次台湾人民选出了一个在两国关系上十分清醒理性的政党来组织政府，没有亲信敌国的谎言。不然的话，怕不是“高雄发大财”，而是要“台湾倒大楣”咯 |
Edited by - yangly3 on 03/06/2020 02:34:41 |
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BlueWhaleMoon
我是老鳥
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Captain Sulu
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Taiwan
2822 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2020 : 08:41:26
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量額溫量到手軟，造成大排長龍的主因是一堆大學生留韓星鍋蓋頭沒自覺自己瀏海下就直接接愛睏眼，要他撥開又像要他的命。
還好隔天就直接拿熱顯儀來了。
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只要身上配刀的，就有自己的執念，一萬個浪士，一萬個皇國，選定了，不換也不回頭，選錯了，就命定，筆直地走向死亡。 |
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toga
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Tajikistan
13232 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2020 : 09:13:02
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義大利那邊肯定不是疫情才爆發兩禮拜，是直到兩禮拜前才開始注意重視。
一萌二PAK三聯閃，四代歐風五國潘，十全側衛百戰鷹，成千蟲隼萬國繁。 |
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BlueWhaleMoon
我是老鳥
13682 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2020 : 09:37:58
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我的意思是，這些被確診的人都是兩周內被確診的
確診後不到兩周就說康復了
好像太快了
我擔心的是，義大利是用甚麼標準放人？ |
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hazel2052
路人甲乙丙
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白河子
路人甲乙丙
Taiwan
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BlueWhaleMoon
我是老鳥
13682 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2020 : 11:35:31
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應該學新加坡
50人以上活動都取消
新加坡能，清醒理性的台灣政府不能？ |
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LUMBER
我是老鳥
Taiwan
8485 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2020 : 11:50:51
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清醒理性.....??
這個定義我們可以多思考一下.....
聽說是美國防疫專家給家人的私人信件
雖然沒有預期到會被人公開
但還是有一些參考性
鋅錠劑的事情據說是有問題的
其他的觀念問題就有意思多了
比如咳嗽不會讓病毒出去
真正讓病毒進入口鼻的是手
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這是我見過最好最實用的防疫文章！請耐心看完並力行實踐！保護自己，家人及他人！
James Robb, MD UC San Diego. 詹姆斯.蘿蔔，加州大學聖地亞哥分校醫學博士
Subject: What I am doing for the upcoming COVID-19 (coronavirus) pandemic
新冠疫情擴散下我的防備攻略
Dear Colleagues, as some of you may recall, when I was a professor of pathology at the University of California San Diego, I was one of the first molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses (the 1970s). I was the first to demonstrate the number of genes the virus contained. Since then, I have kept up with the coronavirus field and its multiple clinical transfers into the human population (e.g., SARS, MERS), from different animal sources.
眾所周知，我是冠狀病毒的分子病毒專家，從70年代到現在一直在研究這些病毒。所以我是有發言權的。
The current projections for its expansion in the US are only probable, due to continued insufficient worldwide data, but it is most likely to be widespread in the US by mid to late March and April.
現在大規模在美國爆發還只是一個可能，現在還是數據不足。但是廣泛傳播要到三月底四月。
Here is what I have done and the precautions that I take and will take. These are the same precautions I currently use during our influenza seasons, except for the mask and gloves.:
我預防冠狀病毒的方法和防止流感一樣，只是增加口罩和手套。
1) NO HANDSHAKING! Use a fist bump, slight bow, elbow bump, etc.
不要和別人握手。用碰拳頭，小鞠躬，碰胳膊肘等代替。
2) Use ONLY your knuckle to touch light switches. elevator buttons, etc.. Lift the gasoline dispenser with a paper towel or use a disposable glove.
只用手指關節去開燈的開關和電梯按鈕。用紙或者戴手套加汽油。
3) Open doors with your closed fist or hip - do not grasp the handle with your hand, unless there is no other way to open the door. Especially important on bathroom and post office/commercial doors.
不要用手抓門把，特別是公共廁所，郵局，商業中心的門。用拳頭和屁股把門撞開。
4) Use disinfectant wipes at the stores when they are available, including wiping the handle and child seat in grocery carts.
如果店裡有抗菌濕巾提供，用它來擦所有碰到的把柄和兒童座。
5) Wash your hands with soap for 10-20 seconds and/or use a greater than 60% alcohol-based hand sanitizer whenever you return home from ANY activity that involves locations where other people have been.
每次從外面回家，至少用肥皂洗手20秒。
6) Keep a bottle of sanitizer available at each of your home's entrances. AND in your car for use after getting gas or touching other contaminated objects when you can't immediately wash your hands.
在家裡的門口和車里放一瓶消毒液。
7) If possible, cough or sneeze into a disposable tissue and discard. Use your elbow only if you have to. The clothing on your elbow will contain infectious virus that can be passed on for up to a week or more!
如果來得及，盡量打噴嚏擤鼻涕到紙巾上。如果來不及用胳膊肘捂了，要及時換衣服。
What I have stocked in preparation for the pandemic spread to the US:
在美國家裡，我囤積了一下物資：
1) Latex or nitrile latex disposable gloves for use when going shopping, using the gasoline pump, and all other outside activity when you come in contact with contaminated areas.
一次性橡皮手套，外出時備用。
Note: This virus is spread in large droplets by coughing and sneezing. This means that the air will not infect you! BUT all the surfaces where these droplets land are infectious for about a week on average - everything that is associated with infected people will be contaminated and potentially infectious.
注意，病毒靠咳嗽和打噴嚏產生的較大的水霧珠傳播的，不是因為空氣本身。所有的水霧珠會落在各種各樣的表面，在那裡呆一個星期之久。所有感染的人碰過的東西都有病毒。
The virus is on surfaces and you will not be infected unless your unprotected face is directly coughed or sneezed upon. This virus only has cell receptors for lung cells (it only infects your lungs) The only way for the virus to infect you is through your nose or mouth via your hands or an infected cough or sneeze onto or into your nose or mouth.
這個病毒只會感染你的肺，而進入的途徑就是你的口鼻。所以唯一被感染的機會是你的手帶到你的口鼻除非有人直接對著你的臉打噴嚏咳嗽。
2) Stock up now with disposable surgical masks and use them to prevent you from touching your nose and/or mouth (We touch our nose/mouth 90X/day without knowing it!). This is the only way this virus can infect you - it is lung-specific. The mask will not prevent the virus in a direct sneeze from getting into your nose or mouth - it is only to keep you from touching your nose or mouth.
在家裡儲存一些一次性醫用口罩。其實口罩並不是用來防止別人對你打噴嚏，而是阻止你的手老是去碰你的口鼻。你可能不知道，我們每天不知不覺會碰自己的口鼻90次以上。
3) Stock up now with hand sanitizers and latex/nitrile gloves (get the appropriate sizes for your family). The hand sanitizers must be alcohol-based and greater than 60% alcohol to be effective.
儲存一些洗手消毒液，最好是含有有60%以上酒精那種。買一些手套。
4) Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx. Use as directed several times each day when you begin to feel ANY "cold-like" symptoms beginning. It is best to lie down and let the lozenge dissolve in the back of your throat and nasopharynx. Cold-Eeze lozenges is one brand available, but there are other brands available.
儲備大量的鋅錠劑。一般的藥店應該有很多選擇。其中一種叫Cold-Eeze lozenges。鋅錠劑被證實對冠狀病毒和其他病毒有一定防治作用。當你開始感到有感冒的感覺到時候，按照說明書每天服用數次。最好安靜的躺下來，讓鋅錠劑慢慢融化在喉嚨和鼻腔里。
I, as many others do, hope that this pandemic will be reasonably contained, BUT I personally do not think it will be. Humans have never seen this snake-associated virus before and have no internal defense against it. Tremendous worldwide efforts are being made to understand the molecular and clinical virology of this virus. Unbelievable molecular knowledge about the genomics, structure, and virulence of this virus has already been achieved. BUT, there will be NO drugs or vaccines available this year to protect us or limit the infection within us. Only symptomatic support is available.
和大家一樣，我希望冠狀病毒的疫情能夠得到控制。科學界已經學到很多關於這個病毒的東西。可是畢竟人類沒有見過這個病毒，也沒有建立對它的免疫力。我不認為一年內會有真正有效藥物和疫苗開發出來拯救人類或者控制病毒。目前只能減緩病狀。
I hope these personal thoughts will be helpful during this potentially catastrophic pandemic. You are welcome to share this email. Good luck to all of us! Jim
我希望我這樣個人的想法對你有所幫助。歡迎你和大家分享這份文章的內容。
祝我們好運！詹姆斯
James Robb, MD FCAP |
Edited by - LUMBER on 03/06/2020 11:56:28 |
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cwchang2100
我是老鳥
Cayman Islands
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fanity
路人甲乙丙
2208 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2020 : 17:54:09
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Originally posted by 白河子
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在下沒有過度解讀，單純就我們的防疫真的到處都是洞
昨天澳洲音樂家就是個例子，有感冒症狀還允許入境+舉辦大型室內藝文活動就是破口
在下知道實際上因各種理由不可能做到閉關鎖國+完全發布各種娛樂、集會限制禁令
但既然做不到，那咱們的防疫強度也就一桶就穿、看天吃飯的水平...
你應該要知道要達成你所謂的防疫強度的話
光是各式各樣的物流停擺現代社會就可以準備崩潰了
政府在執行政策上必然只能兩害相權取其輕
未發布完全鐵幕禁令和防疫一桶就穿也是兩碼子事情
老共封了一堆城你會認為老共接下來防疫就完美嗎?
成天擔心天空沒有柱子撐著會垮下來很沒意義
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JonJon
路人甲乙丙
3590 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2020 : 18:11:11
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台灣本土疫情遲早會爆發的
拖撐越久爆發，至少不會成為第一波死掉的調查兵團 |
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judah1970
路人甲乙丙
2888 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2020 : 20:43:46
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228音乐会？是政治性的么？
说起来现在还消费228是否太不与时俱近了？ |
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Henschel
路人甲乙丙
4019 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2020 : 20:51:43
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Originally posted by judah1970
228音乐会？是政治性的么？
说起来现在还消费228是否太不与时俱近了？
與時俱近的消費
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JonJon
路人甲乙丙
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閒遊之人
我是老鳥
7007 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2020 : 21:31:35
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之前不是說台灣自產瑞得西偉
到頭來這玩意有沒有效
還是是垃圾場的王者 |
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ki1
我是老鳥
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Posted - 03/06/2020 : 22:26:56
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以目前消息和常識,這篇文章問題太多,參考性成疑
1.開關和按鈕用衛生紙/牙籤/打火機/電池式袖珍烙鐵等等比關節好太多
2.眾所周知廁所的門上可能有糞便殘留,且糞便中可檢出病毒,用身體開公廁門相當不衛生
3.平時一次橡皮手套穿脫不切實際,一般時薄塑膠袋式手套更實際
4.至少經結膜感染極有可能,而肺以外各種器官也有被感染的(甚至有神經系統損傷症狀)
5.有這時間直接存酒精實際多了
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Originally posted by LUMBER
清醒理性.....??
這個定義我們可以多思考一下.....
聽說是美國防疫專家給家人的私人信件
雖然沒有預期到會被人公開
但還是有一些參考性
鋅錠劑的事情據說是有問題的
其他的觀念問題就有意思多了
比如咳嗽不會讓病毒出去
真正讓病毒進入口鼻的是手
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這是我見過最好最實用的防疫文章！請耐心看完並力行實踐！保護自己，家人及他人！
James Robb, MD UC San Diego. 詹姆斯.蘿蔔，加州大學聖地亞哥分校醫學博士
Subject: What I am doing for the upcoming COVID-19 (coronavirus) pandemic
新冠疫情擴散下我的防備攻略
Dear Colleagues, as some of you may recall, when I was a professor of pathology at the University of California San Diego, I was one of the first molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses (the 1970s). I was the first to demonstrate the number of genes the virus contained. Since then, I have kept up with the coronavirus field and its multiple clinical transfers into the human population (e.g., SARS, MERS), from different animal sources.
眾所周知，我是冠狀病毒的分子病毒專家，從70年代到現在一直在研究這些病毒。所以我是有發言權的。
The current projections for its expansion in the US are only probable, due to continued insufficient worldwide data, but it is most likely to be widespread in the US by mid to late March and April.
現在大規模在美國爆發還只是一個可能，現在還是數據不足。但是廣泛傳播要到三月底四月。
Here is what I have done and the precautions that I take and will take. These are the same precautions I currently use during our influenza seasons, except for the mask and gloves.:
我預防冠狀病毒的方法和防止流感一樣，只是增加口罩和手套。
1) NO HANDSHAKING! Use a fist bump, slight bow, elbow bump, etc.
不要和別人握手。用碰拳頭，小鞠躬，碰胳膊肘等代替。
2) Use ONLY your knuckle to touch light switches. elevator buttons, etc.. Lift the gasoline dispenser with a paper towel or use a disposable glove.
只用手指關節去開燈的開關和電梯按鈕。用紙或者戴手套加汽油。
3) Open doors with your closed fist or hip - do not grasp the handle with your hand, unless there is no other way to open the door. Especially important on bathroom and post office/commercial doors.
不要用手抓門把，特別是公共廁所，郵局，商業中心的門。用拳頭和屁股把門撞開。
4) Use disinfectant wipes at the stores when they are available, including wiping the handle and child seat in grocery carts.
如果店裡有抗菌濕巾提供，用它來擦所有碰到的把柄和兒童座。
5) Wash your hands with soap for 10-20 seconds and/or use a greater than 60% alcohol-based hand sanitizer whenever you return home from ANY activity that involves locations where other people have been.
每次從外面回家，至少用肥皂洗手20秒。
6) Keep a bottle of sanitizer available at each of your home's entrances. AND in your car for use after getting gas or touching other contaminated objects when you can't immediately wash your hands.
在家裡的門口和車里放一瓶消毒液。
7) If possible, cough or sneeze into a disposable tissue and discard. Use your elbow only if you have to. The clothing on your elbow will contain infectious virus that can be passed on for up to a week or more!
如果來得及，盡量打噴嚏擤鼻涕到紙巾上。如果來不及用胳膊肘捂了，要及時換衣服。
What I have stocked in preparation for the pandemic spread to the US:
在美國家裡，我囤積了一下物資：
1) Latex or nitrile latex disposable gloves for use when going shopping, using the gasoline pump, and all other outside activity when you come in contact with contaminated areas.
一次性橡皮手套，外出時備用。
Note: This virus is spread in large droplets by coughing and sneezing. This means that the air will not infect you! BUT all the surfaces where these droplets land are infectious for about a week on average - everything that is associated with infected people will be contaminated and potentially infectious.
注意，病毒靠咳嗽和打噴嚏產生的較大的水霧珠傳播的，不是因為空氣本身。所有的水霧珠會落在各種各樣的表面，在那裡呆一個星期之久。所有感染的人碰過的東西都有病毒。
The virus is on surfaces and you will not be infected unless your unprotected face is directly coughed or sneezed upon. This virus only has cell receptors for lung cells (it only infects your lungs) The only way for the virus to infect you is through your nose or mouth via your hands or an infected cough or sneeze onto or into your nose or mouth.
這個病毒只會感染你的肺，而進入的途徑就是你的口鼻。所以唯一被感染的機會是你的手帶到你的口鼻除非有人直接對著你的臉打噴嚏咳嗽。
2) Stock up now with disposable surgical masks and use them to prevent you from touching your nose and/or mouth (We touch our nose/mouth 90X/day without knowing it!). This is the only way this virus can infect you - it is lung-specific. The mask will not prevent the virus in a direct sneeze from getting into your nose or mouth - it is only to keep you from touching your nose or mouth.
在家裡儲存一些一次性醫用口罩。其實口罩並不是用來防止別人對你打噴嚏，而是阻止你的手老是去碰你的口鼻。你可能不知道，我們每天不知不覺會碰自己的口鼻90次以上。
3) Stock up now with hand sanitizers and latex/nitrile gloves (get the appropriate sizes for your family). The hand sanitizers must be alcohol-based and greater than 60% alcohol to be effective.
儲存一些洗手消毒液，最好是含有有60%以上酒精那種。買一些手套。
4) Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx. Use as directed several times each day when you begin to feel ANY "cold-like" symptoms beginning. It is best to lie down and let the lozenge dissolve in the back of your throat and nasopharynx. Cold-Eeze lozenges is one brand available, but there are other brands available.
儲備大量的鋅錠劑。一般的藥店應該有很多選擇。其中一種叫Cold-Eeze lozenges。鋅錠劑被證實對冠狀病毒和其他病毒有一定防治作用。當你開始感到有感冒的感覺到時候，按照說明書每天服用數次。最好安靜的躺下來，讓鋅錠劑慢慢融化在喉嚨和鼻腔里。
I, as many others do, hope that this pandemic will be reasonably contained, BUT I personally do not think it will be. Humans have never seen this snake-associated virus before and have no internal defense against it. Tremendous worldwide efforts are being made to understand the molecular and clinical virology of this virus. Unbelievable molecular knowledge about the genomics, structure, and virulence of this virus has already been achieved. BUT, there will be NO drugs or vaccines available this year to protect us or limit the infection within us. Only symptomatic support is available.
和大家一樣，我希望冠狀病毒的疫情能夠得到控制。科學界已經學到很多關於這個病毒的東西。可是畢竟人類沒有見過這個病毒，也沒有建立對它的免疫力。我不認為一年內會有真正有效藥物和疫苗開發出來拯救人類或者控制病毒。目前只能減緩病狀。
I hope these personal thoughts will be helpful during this potentially catastrophic pandemic. You are welcome to share this email. Good luck to all of us! Jim
我希望我這樣個人的想法對你有所幫助。歡迎你和大家分享這份文章的內容。
祝我們好運！詹姆斯
James Robb, MD FCAP
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LUMBER
我是老鳥
Taiwan
8485 Posts |
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cwchang2100
我是老鳥
Cayman Islands
17243 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2020 : 01:08:04
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不過,說老實話,那篇英文翻中文,實在是翻得亂七八糟,荒腔走板.
很多句子根本只翻一半,一些句子也是自我腦補自行添加的.
與其亂翻,還不如刪除中文的部分,讓讀者自行翻譯.
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這些秘密話語來自活著的耶穌，由迪迪摩斯•猶大•多馬記錄。
他說：「任何人發現了這些話的意義，將不會嚐到死亡的滋味。」
多馬福音第1節 |
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白河子
路人甲乙丙
Taiwan
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Posted - 03/07/2020 : 01:42:26
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https://www.storm.mg/article/2371709
中國擔憂境外輸入病例、怒轟外國「不會抄作業」 紐時：中共塑造全球抗疫領導者形象
武漢肺炎（COVID-19、新冠肺炎）在全球蔓延，當中國境內的疫情減緩、其他國家的疫情持續延燒，北京開始擔心境外輸入案例增長，中國網路輿論指責其他國家防疫不利：「中國人用血淚書寫的作業都擺在你們面前了，抄不會抄嗎？」中國宣揚民族主義的官媒《環球時報》近期一篇文章的標題是《一些國家對病毒的反應遲鈍》
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在下情感上很不想認同老共這說法，但現實就是歐盟美日韓等第一世界國家防疫不力
就算拉不下臉抄老共的作業，至少一些相關的電影巨作可以抄吧？
要是搞得比中國還慘最後證明老共自誇的專制防疫真的遠勝過第一世界民主先進國家的公衛體制就好笑了...
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白河子
路人甲乙丙
Taiwan
4560 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2020 : 01:58:43
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Originally posted by BlueWhaleMoon
義大利148死
另外官方說超過400痊癒，會不會太快了？
疫情爆發至今才兩周
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://kknews.cc/world/q9zpkg8.amp&ved=2ahUKEwji9NT4uYboAhVbL6YKHT68ARcQFjAAegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw0qKDsKAMsvGrr_h8aNiC95
截至3月2日上午，義大利總共有2041例COVID-19確診病例，52人死亡。而其中的倫巴第地區更是疫情爆發的中心，有1254例病例，38人死亡，10個城鎮仍處於封鎖狀態。目前該地區的公立醫院已經處於崩潰的邊緣，而義大利官方並不準備興建類似「火神山」集中治療醫院，而是以帳篷或者部隊醫院來代替。
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睡前上wiki看，累積死亡數197，死亡率上升至4.2%
然後找到兩天前的這新聞，看起來義大利的疫區也武漢化了
一線醫護減員導致的惡性循環看來正在進行……
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judah1970
路人甲乙丙
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冗丙
版主
Taiwan
16498 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2020 : 08:11:31
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莫斯科來訊老共停止進口自俄國的天然氣，理由是當前天然氣的消耗量比國內庫存與自產量還少，故暫停雙方供氣合約~~
俄方可以根據合約中的違約條款對中方罰款..........
啊~~
確定大陸疫情獲得控制嗎??
百萬連署推倒政府，以核養綠重啟核四~~
https://blog.xuite.net/tomschen/blog
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wgever
新手上路
143 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2020 : 10:49:18
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基本控制住了，武汉的定点医院早都都开始床位等人了。部分方舱医院都关停了。全国确诊的也只剩2万，全国支援湖北的医护人员都4万名左右。总体是控制住了，但是全面复工是个大问题，尤其第三产业，餐饮、旅游、交通等，要回复疫情前，至少要半年以后，这造成整个社会的生产不足，需求不足。关键是国内控制的差不多了，国外又爆了。
现在没有一个官员敢瞒报，这已经上升到政治高度了。
我们深圳这边按照雷神山标准建的医院都建好了，估计床位大多也闲置。下周我们的现场办公人员要求是全员的四分之三（本周是三分之二，上周二分之一）。我们金融单位，进大厦办公要提前一天申请，必须口罩，大楼门口消毒地毯，多台红外测温仪器（带电脑的那种），多名全身防护的医生“或者是穿了防护服的保安？”，进出分离，满员18人的电梯一次限制6人。上了大楼到了公司门口要登记，测量体温，室内关了中央空调，到处都是消毒液，洗手液，每人每天发两个一次性医用口罩，有个好处是可以不用指纹打卡了。小区情况的就不说了，就因为我的身份证号码是湖北的，就接了不少单位的“慰问电话”。
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Originally posted by 冗丙
莫斯科來訊老共停止進口自俄國的天然氣，理由是當前天然氣的消耗量比國內庫存與自產量還少，故暫停雙方供氣合約~~
俄方可以根據合約中的違約條款對中方罰款..........
啊~~
確定大陸疫情獲得控制嗎??
百萬連署推倒政府，以核養綠重啟核四~~
https://blog.xuite.net/tomschen/blog
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BlueWhaleMoon
我是老鳥
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Posted - 03/07/2020 : 10:55:24
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quote:
Originally posted by judah1970
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Originally posted by JonJon
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Originally posted by judah1970
228音乐会？是政治性的么？
说起来现在还消费228是否太不与时俱近了？
http://npac-ntch.org/zh/programs/calendar-202002
自己看國家音樂廳的節目月曆
那还说叫228音乐会，应该是2月28的音乐会嘛。
可是在台灣，這是語言的習慣
就好像從來沒人說
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