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Replied on: 04/26/2005 21:20:25
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Reply author: cchs
Replied on: 04/26/2005 23:25:01
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75mm Howitzer 12 Converged 100¡Ñ150 4 48
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18 Converged 100¡Ñ150 3 54
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105mm Howitzer 12 Converged 150¡Ñ150 3 36
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Reply author: cchs
Replied on: 04/27/2005 00:00:46
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Multi-Battalion Fire Table

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Replied on: 04/27/2005 09:04:43
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Replied on: 04/27/2005 10:16:53
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Reply author: cchs
Replied on: 04/27/2005 14:42:45
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Soviet Union
Mortars and rockets play a greater role in the Soviet army than any other. Mortars are massed and used (and observed for) like conventional artillery; while rockets are under corps control and are added to key breakthrough attacks. In the attack, self-propelled artillery such as the SU-122 and SU-152 are used heavily for direct-fire artillery support. 120mm and 82mm mortars have roughly the same effects and burst radii as 122mm howitzers and 76mm guns, respectively.
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Replied on: 04/27/2005 15:27:28
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Replied on: 04/28/2005 02:52:49
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Replied on: 04/28/2005 02:53:54
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Replied on: 04/28/2005 08:36:24
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Replied on: 04/28/2005 17:29:48
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Replied on: 04/28/2005 22:09:08
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Replied on: 04/28/2005 23:31:14
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Replied on: 04/29/2005 13:29:39
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Replied on: 04/30/2005 10:09:24
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ALL Shows results for all scales.
1:3000 Used for naval and space models. Europeans prefer this scale; North Americans traditionally prefer 1:2400 scale.
1:2400 Popular naval gaming scale.
1:2000 Used for starship models.
1:1200 The original naval gaming scale, though for periods with large vessels it can take up a lot of tabletop (or floor space).
1:600 Used for naval and science fiction (space) models.
1:300 Small scale popular for staging battles involving large numbers of tanks or other combat vehicles. Europeans traditionally use this scale, while 1:285 is more popular in North America (the two scales can be mixed, as there is only a 5% difference in size). Considered identical to 6mm scale.
1:144 Scale used for aircraft models.
15mm This popular scale allows one to field large numbers of figures on a typical tabletop, yet the miniatures are large enough to show considerable detail.
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